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Re: Hillary Would Have a Better Chance Than Obama
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2011, 04:22:10 PM »
jgeer cannot debate on the issues, points of fact, reason or simple truths because quite simply these elements are lacking within the cloth that is liberalism a cult that demands one abandon all aspects of intellectual honesty.....as for the birther bs to both conley and jgeer i would simply point out that no one has seem the actual long form birth certificate, not you, me, the press or any independent forensic expert.....further to my knowledge the dnc has still not certified obama's eligibility.....regardless, it no longer matters where obama was born he is not a natural born citizen....his father was clearly a citizen of the uk and therefore the messiah truly is a citizen of the world having been born with a duel citizenship that of the uk/usa......

here is an interesting read regarding the recent so called release of obama's birth certificate.....

 http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/13/obama-long-form-gaggledygook/


Can Grumpy or someone else explain the bolded part to me? How can Birthers say it doesn't matter where he was born? I thought the whole crux of the argument was that he born in Kenya, not Hawaii. So now the argument is that even if he was born in Hawaii he's still not a citizen? I don't get it.

conley son clearly you have no understanding of what our founding fathers considered a natural born citizen to be......educate yourself before embarrassing yourself further son.....cap, this is not about pissing contests of any kind nor yours or the dignity of anyone else.....rather this is a straight forward requirement to hold the office of prez that our current office holder did not and cannot meet, pull your pinhead out of your dumbass and get your head around that if you can.....


The 14th amendment states "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

conley this is almost painful, i instructed you to educate yourself but you have opted to double down on embarrassing yourself.....what did the framers mean by "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".....please do the nauseatingly easy research before answering son.....


The 14th is one of the Reconstruction Amendments, right? So it isn't the words of the framers you are quoting.

true son my misstatement, the 14th was ratified in 1868 but the meaning we are debating was concurrent with that of the framers, being that individuals born with competing loyalties would not be considered natural born and therefore disqualified from serving as president.....it is thought that natural born was placed within the constitution with alexander hamilton in mind, regardless obama clearly was born of dual citizenship and therefore would not be subject only to these united states....here is a better explanation....

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

again being born in hawaii or anywhere else is irrelevant given that obama's father was not a united states citizen.......it is not about being a birther son it is about respecting our founding documents and the rule of law......


That is an interesting site.

Obama's father was not here illegally, correct? He was not an illegal immigrant, and thus that part of the argument does not apply to him.

From the link:

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.

How can you prove that Obama's allegiance to the United States was not complete? What does that even entail? I am not talking about his political record, I am speaking of him as a citizen before holding office. What actions did he take that suggested a lack of allegiance. Furthermore, we should keep in mind that the words above are just one of many interpretations of what that phrase means.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Eisenhower

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Re: Hillary Would Have a Better Chance Than Obama
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2011, 06:44:00 PM »
jgeer cannot debate on the issues, points of fact, reason or simple truths because quite simply these elements are lacking within the cloth that is liberalism a cult that demands one abandon all aspects of intellectual honesty.....as for the birther bs to both conley and jgeer i would simply point out that no one has seem the actual long form birth certificate, not you, me, the press or any independent forensic expert.....further to my knowledge the dnc has still not certified obama's eligibility.....regardless, it no longer matters where obama was born he is not a natural born citizen....his father was clearly a citizen of the uk and therefore the messiah truly is a citizen of the world having been born with a duel citizenship that of the uk/usa......

here is an interesting read regarding the recent so called release of obama's birth certificate.....

 http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/13/obama-long-form-gaggledygook/


Can Grumpy or someone else explain the bolded part to me? How can Birthers say it doesn't matter where he was born? I thought the whole crux of the argument was that he born in Kenya, not Hawaii. So now the argument is that even if he was born in Hawaii he's still not a citizen? I don't get it.

conley son clearly you have no understanding of what our founding fathers considered a natural born citizen to be......educate yourself before embarrassing yourself further son.....cap, this is not about pissing contests of any kind nor yours or the dignity of anyone else.....rather this is a straight forward requirement to hold the office of prez that our current office holder did not and cannot meet, pull your pinhead out of your dumbass and get your head around that if you can.....


The 14th amendment states "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

conley this is almost painful, i instructed you to educate yourself but you have opted to double down on embarrassing yourself.....what did the framers mean by "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".....please do the nauseatingly easy research before answering son.....


The 14th is one of the Reconstruction Amendments, right? So it isn't the words of the framers you are quoting.

true son my misstatement, the 14th was ratified in 1868 but the meaning we are debating was concurrent with that of the framers, being that individuals born with competing loyalties would not be considered natural born and therefore disqualified from serving as president.....it is thought that natural born was placed within the constitution with alexander hamilton in mind, regardless obama clearly was born of dual citizenship and therefore would not be subject only to these united states....here is a better explanation....

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

again being born in hawaii or anywhere else is irrelevant given that obama's father was not a united states citizen.......it is not about being a birther son it is about respecting our founding documents and the rule of law......


That is an interesting site.

Obama's father was not here illegally, correct? He was not an illegal immigrant, and thus that part of the argument does not apply to him.

From the link:

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.

How can you prove that Obama's allegiance to the United States was not complete? What does that even entail? I am not talking about his political record, I am speaking of him as a citizen before holding office. What actions did he take that suggested a lack of allegiance. Furthermore, we should keep in mind that the words above are just one of many interpretations of what that phrase means.

my god son you are obtuse.....a duel citizenship would be considered as someone who is not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, in this case obama was subject not only to the jurisdiction of the usa but of the uk as well....it is not where you were born that makes you a natural born citizen of these united states, it is the citizenship of your parents ie john little mac mccain........if your parents, both of your parents are citizens of these united states you could be born on a cruise ship, vacationing in kenya or on the moon and you would still be a natural born citizenship.....diplomats from other countries are here legally that does not mean that if one gives birth while here then that child is eligible to be prez, no they would not be a natural born citizen.....

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Re: Hillary Would Have a Better Chance Than Obama
« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2011, 07:01:55 PM »
jgeer cannot debate on the issues, points of fact, reason or simple truths because quite simply these elements are lacking within the cloth that is liberalism a cult that demands one abandon all aspects of intellectual honesty.....as for the birther bs to both conley and jgeer i would simply point out that no one has seem the actual long form birth certificate, not you, me, the press or any independent forensic expert.....further to my knowledge the dnc has still not certified obama's eligibility.....regardless, it no longer matters where obama was born he is not a natural born citizen....his father was clearly a citizen of the uk and therefore the messiah truly is a citizen of the world having been born with a duel citizenship that of the uk/usa......

here is an interesting read regarding the recent so called release of obama's birth certificate.....

 http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/13/obama-long-form-gaggledygook/


Can Grumpy or someone else explain the bolded part to me? How can Birthers say it doesn't matter where he was born? I thought the whole crux of the argument was that he born in Kenya, not Hawaii. So now the argument is that even if he was born in Hawaii he's still not a citizen? I don't get it.

conley son clearly you have no understanding of what our founding fathers considered a natural born citizen to be......educate yourself before embarrassing yourself further son.....cap, this is not about pissing contests of any kind nor yours or the dignity of anyone else.....rather this is a straight forward requirement to hold the office of prez that our current office holder did not and cannot meet, pull your pinhead out of your dumbass and get your head around that if you can.....


The 14th amendment states "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

conley this is almost painful, i instructed you to educate yourself but you have opted to double down on embarrassing yourself.....what did the framers mean by "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".....please do the nauseatingly easy research before answering son.....


The 14th is one of the Reconstruction Amendments, right? So it isn't the words of the framers you are quoting.

true son my misstatement, the 14th was ratified in 1868 but the meaning we are debating was concurrent with that of the framers, being that individuals born with competing loyalties would not be considered natural born and therefore disqualified from serving as president.....it is thought that natural born was placed within the constitution with alexander hamilton in mind, regardless obama clearly was born of dual citizenship and therefore would not be subject only to these united states....here is a better explanation....

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

again being born in hawaii or anywhere else is irrelevant given that obama's father was not a united states citizen.......it is not about being a birther son it is about respecting our founding documents and the rule of law......


That is an interesting site.

Obama's father was not here illegally, correct? He was not an illegal immigrant, and thus that part of the argument does not apply to him.

From the link:

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.

How can you prove that Obama's allegiance to the United States was not complete? What does that even entail? I am not talking about his political record, I am speaking of him as a citizen before holding office. What actions did he take that suggested a lack of allegiance. Furthermore, we should keep in mind that the words above are just one of many interpretations of what that phrase means.

my god son you are obtuse.....a duel citizenship would be considered as someone who is not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, in this case obama was subject not only to the jurisdiction of the usa but of the uk as well....it is not where you were born that makes you a natural born citizen of these united states, it is the citizenship of your parents ie john little mac mccain........if your parents, both of your parents are citizens of these united states you could be born on a cruise ship, vacationing in kenya or on the moon and you would still be a natural born citizenship.....diplomats from other countries are here legally that does not mean that if one gives birth while here then that child is eligible to be prez, no they would not be a natural born citizen.....


So you agree that Obama was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. There you go. Obviously the courts see it my way as well.
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Re: Hillary Would Have a Better Chance Than Obama
« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2011, 10:39:48 AM »
conley you have now willfully devolved to the point of dumbass, which is puzzling because usually you achieve this lack of stature with no effort at all.....obama was born with a duel citizenship and therefore would not be a natural born citizen, it really is that simple....we must respect the words and intent of the constitution or it means nothing at all the result being the rudderless society and runaway govt of the day.....

 


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