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Offline Conley

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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2011, 10:54:00 AM »
But it's not just the ultra-rich who are abandoning Republicans. CNN's exit poll last fall showed that voters in the East making between $150,000 and $200,000 favored Democratic candidates by a 63-37 majority. Since 2004, the percentage of professionals identifying themselves as Republicans fell from 44 percent to 37 percent, according to a September Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The same survey found 59 percent of Republican voters agreed with the statement that free trade has been a negative for the country.

Things have clearly changed. But you wouldn't know it from the campaigns—on either side. In last week's Republican economic debate, the leading candidates sang loudly from the GOP hymnal: hailing income inequality as a wonderful product of the free market, and blaming economic woes on lawyers and Democrats.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2007/10/ceos_for_clinton.html

It's not that simple.
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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2011, 10:59:28 AM »
Exactly. Good post. Greer has a far to simplified perspective on American politics. Rich versus poor and GOP versus Democrat (as if they represent real alternatives).
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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2011, 11:02:28 AM »
Right, and people change who they vote for all the time, especially at the level of a presidential election. Plenty of people voted for Bush and then switched to Obama, and there will be a lot who voted for Obama who will now vote Republican whoever it ends up being. Only simple minded fools vote straight party line without considering the issues or the candidate.
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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2011, 11:04:52 AM »
Right, and people change who they vote for all the time, especially at the level of a presidential election. Plenty of people voted for Bush and then switched to Obama, and there will be a lot who voted for Obama who will now vote Republican whoever it ends up being. Only simple minded fools vote straight party line without considering the issues or the candidate.

True. It often happens that a voter will support one party at the state level and another on the national.
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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2011, 11:19:17 AM »
I'd like somebody to point out some problems with progressives and liberals.  There's alot of shit talk about left wing politics but no substance, which only solidifies the liberal spirit.  Who wants to cave to a bunch of know-nothing shit talkers?


I'm waiting.

No need to wait long. We can start with Keynesian Economics. Then there is that little part about spending other peoples money to pay off their own debts. Then there is the part that we can spend more, go into debt more. Then borrowing more money. Then we can take a look at how they like to think for others yet can't get their heads out of their azzes. Talkin about shit-talkers. Been that way ever since their creation.
Talk about equality for all but then look to prop up a minority's rights over that of the majority.

Then we can look at the social issue of the liberals being responsible for the breakdown of morality.

Doesn't apply to liberals, progressives, or liberalism.  Debunked.

Next.

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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2011, 01:09:30 PM »
You guys have said rich people are majority democrats but then why would they want to raise taxes?

Always blasting Obama for class warfare and saying he wants to redistribute wealth well then why would the rich side with him?

You cant get your story straight either he is doing the work of the rich or he is fighting for the poor depending on the situation conservatives use both arguments. Look at my other thread you guys wont even admit the majority of the rich are republicans. That is fact!

Because raising taxes on the rich will, over the long term, bring in less tax revenue.  It doesn't matter whether the rich are republicans or democrats.  I understand that democrats based their policies on such things....  I don't. 

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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2011, 01:43:24 PM »
I'd like somebody to point out some problems with progressives and liberals.  There's alot of shit talk about left wing politics but no substance, which only solidifies the liberal spirit.  Who wants to cave to a bunch of know-nothing shit talkers?


I'm waiting.

No need to wait long. We can start with Keynesian Economics. Then there is that little part about spending other peoples money to pay off their own debts. Then there is the part that we can spend more, go into debt more. Then borrowing more money. Then we can take a look at how they like to think for others yet can't get their heads out of their azzes. Talkin about shit-talkers. Been that way ever since their creation.
Talk about equality for all but then look to prop up a minority's rights over that of the majority.

Then we can look at the social issue of the liberals being responsible for the breakdown of morality.

Doesn't apply to liberals, progressives, or liberalism.  Debunked.

Next.

Not quite.....but you are welcome to explain those definitions and their Context. Especially if you think such is debunked within terminology of the Liberal Elite used only in a political sense. Progressives and Liberals deal in absolution as a means to an end. Unfortunately they may be able to change what they call themsleves from year to year. But regardless they cannot change their history. Nor just accept what they Feel is their history.  ;)
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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2011, 04:47:48 PM »
 :blahblah:

Next argument please.

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Re: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2011, 12:09:07 AM »
:blahblah:

Next argument please.


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