BO speaks to patriotism

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

vermouth was that a response???  bo gave his patriotism speech monday....this is tuesday.....by the here and now do you mean this very second??  is it not important that our soldiers know that their efforts are supported and respected by their elected leaders.  is it impossible for dems/libs to oppose this war without rooting for and enabling the enemy?  isn't granting constitutional protections to terrorists trying to kill us now relevant enough for you??  so he should visit the troops for pr purposes not to speak with soldiers, commanders and iraqis toward evaluating the state of iraq and the effectiveness of the surge??  why are dems/libs denying that the surge has been hugely successful in stabilizing iraq and that reconciliation is taking place if not as fast as any would wish??  why are obama, the dem party and liberals across this country committed to defeat, a defeat not for bush but for this nation??  yes it is strange that the dem nominee would feel moved to persuade the country that he is in fact patriotic or is it?

[spunkloaf]

why is it that dems/libs always fffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the need to convince themselves and others that the ffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings they hold and express toward their country are patriotic??  i would think that a man who has been in public life for some time now, BO's patriotism should be well demonstrated!  so let us review.....
evidence of bo's patriotism are as follows...

20 years in the pews nodding his head to rev wright's views of america
 
professional relationship with mr ayers, aka TERRORIST

refused to vote on senate resolution condemning moveon ad general betrayus....."general petraus deserves the full support of the senate which strongly condemns personal attacks on the honor and integrity of general petraus and all members of the us armed services"   now you can see why he wouldn't want to be part of this for the same reasons he has not been to iraq to see the effects of the surge...

confused as to when it is appropriate to place one's hand over one's heart

described wearing flag pin as "phoney" patriotism.  presently wears the pin at all times public and private

invested in the defeat of the us in iraq and believes that foreign terrorists should be granted the protections and rights of the us constitution

exercises a cafeteria style approach to the constitution

has never spoken against dem/lib characterizations of the us military as stalinist, nazis, murderers......

so why is it that bo believes he must convince the american people that maintains ffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings of patriotism toward his country??

update....bo plans tour of europe....no time available to visit troops in iraq for our oh so patriotic aspiring commander and chief.

When's your trip to Iraq planned, Grump?

Sometime during his run for the presidency I reckon.

So to qualify one as president, they must make a trip to a war zone?

Grump, you'd better get on it!  Or Michael Jackson will attack you!

vermouth was that a response???  bo gave his patriotism speech monday....this is tuesday.....by the here and now do you mean this very second??  is it not important that our soldiers know that their efforts are supported and respected by their elected leaders.  is it impossible for dems/libs to oppose this war without rooting for and enabling the enemy?  isn't granting constitutional protections to terrorists trying to kill us now relevant enough for you??  so he should visit the troops for pr purposes not to speak with soldiers, commanders and iraqis toward evaluating the state of iraq and the effectiveness of the surge??  why are dems/libs denying that the surge has been hugely successful in stabilizing iraq and that reconciliation is taking place if not as fast as any would wish??  why are obama, the dem party and liberals across this country committed to defeat, a defeat not for bush but for this nation??  yes it is strange that the dem nominee would feel moved to persuade the country that he is in fact patriotic or is it?

You're a dumb ass.  Fuck your patriotism.  It means nothing to anybody else.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

little sensitive on the issue aren't you there   as one who would be commander and chief it is more than prudent for bo to take the time out of his busy schedule and visit the men and women whom he seeks to command.  clearly the issue means more than a little to bo

[pittypat65]

obama is a cheap fraud, lying his way into the whitehouse.  He has proven himself to hate this country. His words do not match his actions.    He needs to go back to his shady crook friends in Chicago where he belongs. And staythere.

[justsaynotobo]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

[Vermouth]

vermouth was that a response???  bo gave his patriotism speech monday....this is tuesday.....by the here and now do you mean this very second??  is it not important that our soldiers know that their efforts are supported and respected by their elected leaders.  is it impossible for dems/libs to oppose this war without rooting for and enabling the enemy?  isn't granting constitutional protections to terrorists trying to kill us now relevant enough for you??  so he should visit the troops for pr purposes not to speak with soldiers, commanders and iraqis toward evaluating the state of iraq and the effectiveness of the surge??  why are dems/libs denying that the surge has been hugely successful in stabilizing iraq and that reconciliation is taking place if not as fast as any would wish??  why are obama, the dem party and liberals across this country committed to defeat, a defeat not for bush but for this nation??  yes it is strange that the dem nominee would feel moved to persuade the country that he is in fact patriotic or is it?

What? You're saying a politician shouldn't act like a politician? Dream on.

[spunkloaf]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

vermouth was that a response???  bo gave his patriotism speech monday....this is tuesday.....by the here and now do you mean this very second??  is it not important that our soldiers know that their efforts are supported and respected by their elected leaders.  is it impossible for dems/libs to oppose this war without rooting for and enabling the enemy?  isn't granting constitutional protections to terrorists trying to kill us now relevant enough for you??  so he should visit the troops for pr purposes not to speak with soldiers, commanders and iraqis toward evaluating the state of iraq and the effectiveness of the surge??  why are dems/libs denying that the surge has been hugely successful in stabilizing iraq and that reconciliation is taking place if not as fast as any would wish??  why are obama, the dem party and liberals across this country committed to defeat, a defeat not for bush but for this nation??  yes it is strange that the dem nominee would feel moved to persuade the country that he is in fact patriotic or is it?

What? You're saying a politician shouldn't act like a politician? Dream on.

bo is the candidate of change.  if your asking do i think that politicians shouldn't lie, the answer is yes.

[conleys ghost]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

Narnia. 

[spunkloaf]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

Narnia. 

That's about it. 

[justsaynotobo]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

Do you think i should do your homework? I keep up. I watch the news, debates, talk radio..things you should be doing..I didn't just all of a sudden get interested in what is going on in the world like you.

[spunkloaf]

I've been following politics since I was a senior in high school.  Five years.  Don't assume such things of other people.

Besides, I asked for a source. If you can't provide one, then what you say is bullshit.

[justsaynotobo]

I've been following politics since I was a senior in high school.  Five years.  Don't assume such things of other people.

Besides, I asked for a source. If you can't provide one, then what you say is bullshit.

What i say is common knowledge so it is obvious you don't follow anything.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

your asking that someone prove a negative.  obviously her source is the same as yours, personal observations.  but let us review both candidates briefly.
little mac...on taxes he is definately changing his stated position and has admitted that he knows nothing of the economy (if you don't believe me ask ron paul) this is a clear flip-flop.  immigration, he is correct in pointing out that his switch to an emphasis on securing the border was prompted by political defeat and public outrage....when asked if he would still vote for his amnesty (he has called for amnesty) bill, he would not give a definitive no.  finally on energy, little mac has staunchly opposed drilling in anwr or anywhere else for that matter.  of course we are now seeing prices at the pump touching $5 a gallon.  this painful reality has the potential of bringing some degree of reality to our non-existent energy policy.  while little mac now supports off shore drilling he is i believe still opposed to anwr???  he does support nuclear.  is this a flip-flop, no, but it would make sense to agressively advocate the development of our available resources rather than presenting the voters with a cafeteria approach to energy policy.
 bo...on iraq, in one of the early debates neither he, mrs bill nor mrs edwards would or could commit to having troops out of iraq before 2013.  since then he has adopted the policy of 1-2 brigades per month while maintaining some forces to secure our retreat and attack aq.  we will focus on aq in afghanistan/pakistan.  throughout the campaign he has maintained that the surge has not accomplished what it was designed to do (according to dems) promote reconciliation.  of course aq is in iraq, ramifications for our defeat are not shared, all evidence shows the surge to be working and recently it was revealed that the iraq govt has now reached 15 of the 18 benchmarks for progress!!  so is bo flipping and flopping, no it is just dem/lib commitment to defeat for this nation and bo bowing to his most basic instincts to cut and run.  campaign finance.  bo pledged to enter the public financing system for the general election.  after reviewing his marketability via the net he has decided that this particular pledge would be inconvenient. alternately he and his camp have put forth the ideas that he did not pledge "actually" and he must eschew entry into the public finance system for the general election in order to be prepared to respond to gop 527s.  this is both a flip-flop and a lie.  regarding nafta, during the campaign bo attacked nafta at every turn and stated that he would unilaterally review nafta.  since securing the nomination (sorta) he has referred to his nafta rhetoric as just that rhetoric, rhetoric that becomes a little hyped during the campaign.....flip-flop??  as for the second amendment, bo has tried to paint the recent scotus decision re the dc handgun ban as agreeing with his belief that while the second amendment is an individual right it can be reasonably regulated by the state.  problem is, the courts decision was a fairly narrow review of the dc law.  bo is on record as supporting the dc gun law and supporting the constitutionality of that law.  in short bo believes that a complete ban on handguns would not violate the second amendment.  so is this a flip-flop??  no, rather it is an attempt to obfuscate the issue and misrepresent his position regarding the second amendment to the voters.

[justsaynotobo]

These are all the reasons I will not vote for obama. He is not a partiot or a war hero like John McCain. I don't care whether or not you like McCain, you cannot dispute that. He may have flipped flopped on certain things but not as much as obama has. McCaim 08!!

McCain doesn't flip flop..when and if he thinks he may have been wrong on an issue or now feels diff about it, he says so..BO on the other hand changes his mind to suit his purpose.

Source?

your asking that someone prove a negative.  obviously her source is the same as yours, personal observations.  but let us review both candidates briefly.
little mac...on taxes he is definately changing his stated position and has admitted that he knows nothing of the economy (if you don't believe me ask ron paul) this is a clear flip-flop.  immigration, he is correct in pointing out that his switch to an emphasis on securing the border was prompted by political defeat and public outrage....when asked if he would still vote for his amnesty (he has called for amnesty) bill, he would not give a definitive no.  finally on energy, little mac has staunchly opposed drilling in anwr or anywhere else for that matter.  of course we are now seeing prices at the pump touching $5 a gallon.  this painful reality has the potential of bringing some degree of reality to our non-existent energy policy.  while little mac now supports off shore drilling he is i believe still opposed to anwr???  he does support nuclear.  is this a flip-flop, no, but it would make sense to agressively advocate the development of our available resources rather than presenting the voters with a cafeteria approach to energy policy.
 bo...on iraq, in one of the early debates neither he, mrs bill nor mrs edwards would or could commit to having troops out of iraq before 2013.  since then he has adopted the policy of 1-2 brigades per month while maintaining some forces to secure our retreat and attack aq.  we will focus on aq in afghanistan/pakistan.  throughout the campaign he has maintained that the surge has not accomplished what it was designed to do (according to dems) promote reconciliation.  of course aq is in iraq, ramifications for our defeat are not shared, all evidence shows the surge to be working and recently it was revealed that the iraq govt has now reached 15 of the 18 benchmarks for progress!!  so is bo flipping and flopping, no it is just dem/lib commitment to defeat for this nation and bo bowing to his most basic instincts to cut and run.  campaign finance.  bo pledged to enter the public financing system for the general election.  after reviewing his marketability via the net he has decided that this particular pledge would be inconvenient. alternately he and his camp have put forth the ideas that he did not pledge "actually" and he must eschew entry into the public finance system for the general election in order to be prepared to respond to gop 527s.  this is both a flip-flop and a lie.  regarding nafta, during the campaign bo attacked nafta at every turn and stated that he would unilaterally review nafta.  since securing the nomination (sorta) he has referred to his nafta rhetoric as just that rhetoric, rhetoric that becomes a little hyped during the campaign.....flip-flop??  as for the second amendment, bo has tried to paint the recent scotus decision re the dc handgun ban as agreeing with his belief that while the second amendment is an individual right it can be reasonably regulated by the state.  problem is, the courts decision was a fairly narrow review of the dc law.  bo is on record as supporting the dc gun law and supporting the constitutionality of that law.  in short bo believes that a complete ban on handguns would not violate the second amendment.  so is this a flip-flop??  no, rather it is an attempt to obfuscate the issue and misrepresent his position regarding the second amendment to the voters.

Well put...but i also think BOs voting record proves his indecisiveness.