exactly what is a community organizer??

[OswaldTheOsprey]

This was a job he held after college, before he went to law school. I wouldn't have put it on my resume if I were him.

It's one thing for people to discover it when researching his past - it was a good experience and reflects well on him as a person. But for him to talk about it as though it has relevance to being president is lame.

It is better than being an alcoholic and failed businessman as Bush was.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Peter1469]

 So is working at McDonalds.  What does that have to do with a resume for the presidency? 

[OswaldTheOsprey]

So is working at McDonalds.  What does that have to do with a resume for the presidency? 

Just being comparative.

OswaldTheOsprey

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

actually even a failed business man would possess real world experience in the economy, what works in a free market and what does not.  valuable experience but clearly not to the level of directing locals to the nearest homeless shelter or social service agency...      

[OswaldTheOsprey]

actually even a failed business man would possess real world experience in the economy, what works in a free market and what does not.  valuable experience but clearly not to the level of directing locals to the nearest homeless shelter or social service agency...      

Oh right Grump. A money grubber is better than a humanitarian.

OswaldTheOsprey

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

this is more than a little silly.  looking at the material provided by scaybeez, there is no indication that bo did or accomplished anything, nothing, zilch, zip, nada.  bo was paid by the tax payers to hang out and direct locals to the nearest handout.  what does become apparent is that bo was working closely with the local churches most significantly trinity united.  clearly he must have been well aware of trinity's mission statement which most charitably is described as black liberation but is more accurately described as black separatist.

[OswaldTheOsprey]

this is more than a little silly.  looking at the material provided by scaybeez, there is no indication that bo did or accomplished anything, nothing, zilch, zip, nada.  bo was paid by the tax payers to hang out and direct locals to the nearest handout.  what does become apparent is that bo was working closely with the local churches most significantly trinity united.  clearly he must have been well aware of trinity's mission statement which most charitably is described as black liberation but is more accurately described as black separatist.

What is wrong with either black or white separatism provided it is voluntary? Have you ever heard of the right of free association of like minded persons? As to Obama doing or accomplishing anything, what about helping people-especially those in need?

OswaldTheOsprey

[Peter1469]

this is more than a little silly.  looking at the material provided by scaybeez, there is no indication that bo did or accomplished anything, nothing, zilch, zip, nada.  bo was paid by the tax payers to hang out and direct locals to the nearest handout.  what does become apparent is that bo was working closely with the local churches most significantly trinity united.  clearly he must have been well aware of trinity's mission statement which most charitably is described as black liberation but is more accurately described as black separatist.

What is wrong with either black or white separatism provided it is voluntary? Have you ever heard of the right of free association of like minded persons? As to Obama doing or accomplishing anything, what about helping people-especially those in need?

OswaldTheOsprey

There is nothing wrong with black separatism if it is voluntary.  However, I would expect that a person who supports separatism by 14% of the population would know math well enough to understand that he may have a hard time getting the other 86% of the population to support him (assuming that his true motives are known). 

[OswaldTheOsprey]

this is more than a little silly.  looking at the material provided by scaybeez, there is no indication that bo did or accomplished anything, nothing, zilch, zip, nada.  bo was paid by the tax payers to hang out and direct locals to the nearest handout.  what does become apparent is that bo was working closely with the local churches most significantly trinity united.  clearly he must have been well aware of trinity's mission statement which most charitably is described as black liberation but is more accurately described as black separatist.

What is wrong with either black or white separatism provided it is voluntary? Have you ever heard of the right of free association of like minded persons? As to Obama doing or accomplishing anything, what about helping people-especially those in need?

OswaldTheOsprey

There is nothing wrong with black separatism if it is voluntary.  However, I would expect that a person who supports separatism by 14% of the population would know math well enough to understand that he may have a hard time getting the other 86% of the population to support him (assuming that his true motives are known). 

Perhaps. However, some (both black and white) see through integration for integration's sake.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Peter1469]

I agree that some would.  I, however, do not believe that it is a winning platform in today's PC world. 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Perhaps. However, some (both black and white) see through integration for integration's sake.

OswaldTheOsprey

Integration has also been a stark failure. I really don't understand the separatist ideal, however. The races self segregate naturally.

[Peter1469]

Integration has also been a stark failure. I really don't understand the separatist ideal, however. The races self segregate naturally.

There is much truth in this statement- as a generalization that is. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

this is more than a little silly.  looking at the material provided by scaybeez, there is no indication that bo did or accomplished anything, nothing, zilch, zip, nada.  bo was paid by the tax payers to hang out and direct locals to the nearest handout.  what does become apparent is that bo was working closely with the local churches most significantly trinity united.  clearly he must have been well aware of trinity's mission statement which most charitably is described as black liberation but is more accurately described as black separatist.

What is wrong with either black or white separatism provided it is voluntary? Have you ever heard of the right of free association of like minded persons? As to Obama doing or accomplishing anything, what about helping people-especially those in need?

OswaldTheOsprey

separatism and free association are not the same concept.  regardless, why does bo run from this aspect of his very thin record??

[OswaldTheOsprey]

Perhaps. However, some (both black and white) see through integration for integration's sake.

OswaldTheOsprey

Integration has also been a stark failure. I really don't understand the separatist ideal, however. The races self segregate naturally.

Fine if it is natural and voluntary. Some people prefer inter-racial association. To each their own.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Vermouth]

It is better than being an alcoholic and failed businessman as Bush was.

OswaldTheOsprey

Don't get me started on Bush.

actually even a failed business man would possess real world experience in the economy, what works in a free market and what does not.  valuable experience but clearly not to the level of directing locals to the nearest homeless shelter or social service agency...      

What Obama has achieved has been accomplished through his own talent and hard work. What would Bush have accomplished without his father's name and money?