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« on: February 05, 2008, 03:54:12 PM » |
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Is the dislike of Hillary Clinton justified or over the top? "In the January issue of GQ, Jason Horowitz described the world of Hillary haters, many of whom he has interviewed. Horowitz finds that the hostile characterizations of Clinton do not add up to a coherent account of her hatefulness. She is vilified for being a feminist and for not being one, for being an extreme leftist and for being a “warmongering hawk,” for being godless and for being “frighteningly fundamentalist,” for being the victim of her husband’s peccadilloes and for enabling them. “She is,” Horowitz concludes, “an empty vessel into which [her detractors] can pour everything they detest.” (In this she is the counterpart of George W. Bush, who serves much the same function for many liberals.)" http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/all-you-need-is-hate |
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 03:56:32 PM » |
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C'mon Vermouth. You've got loons saying Bush is another Hitler. The problem, I think, is that this kind of irrationality is not being ridiculed enough.
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"Now to a tyrant or to an imperial city nothing is inconsistent which is expedient, and no man is a kinsman who cannot be trusted."
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 04:05:41 PM » |
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C'mon Vermouth. You've got loons saying Bush is another Hitler. The problem, I think, is that this kind of irrationality is not being ridiculed enough.
true...people need to stop making these ridiculous comparisons and actually look at both sides of the issues |
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 04:12:26 PM » |
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C'mon Vermouth. You've got loons saying Bush is another Hitler. The problem, I think, is that this kind of irrationality is not being ridiculed enough.
true...people need to stop making these ridiculous comparisons and actually look at both sides of the issues I don't think it's even a matter of looking at the issues. I think Hillary is a calculating fraud but she isn't a totalitarian as per HomieDontPlay. Bush isn't Hitler and Cheney doesn't eat Black babies. |
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"Now to a tyrant or to an imperial city nothing is inconsistent which is expedient, and no man is a kinsman who cannot be trusted."
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 05:37:07 PM » |
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IMP most politicians are calculating frauds. Name one who is not.  Hillery is no worse or better than the rest. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 08:02:57 AM » |
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IMP most politicians are calculating frauds. Name one who is not.
Ron Paul, Jeff Flake, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Fred Thompson, Gary Johnson, Harry Browne, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, David Cobb........ But your boy McCain sure is a calculating fraud. Just like Hillary. And Barack. And damn near every candidate for prez on both sides of the aisle. |
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they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 08:14:04 AM » |
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got to agree with sdml in that there are honest pols out there. you'll recognize them by what they are not offering to give you.
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"The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer."
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 11:42:12 AM » |
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Be willing to bet that many white male republicans voted for obama, especially in some states. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 12:48:54 PM » |
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Be willing to bet that many white male republicans voted for obama, especially in some states. interesting that you should say that, it appears that obama did generally well in the south and mrs bill did well in the traditionally blue states of the north. |
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"The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer."
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 12:52:43 PM » |
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Be willing to bet that many white male republicans voted for obama, especially in some states. interesting that you should say that, it appears that obama did generally well in the south and mrs bill did well in the traditionally blue states of the north. a lot of those southern victories were based on the huge advantages obama had with black voters "The Illinois senator also won eight in ten African Americans, the same portion he had in earlier races. " but he also made big gains with white men...about the only people still voting for hillary in the same numbers were white women the youth vote was dwarfed by the senior vote, 22% to 12% ... i still think that vote favors mccain in the general election |
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 01:30:48 PM » |
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The democratic party is so split, moreso than the repubs.as they will soon come together. If Obama is nominated many whites, especially white moderates will not vote for him. If clinton is nominated many blacks and young people will not be so fired up. McCain will win. the dem party has to be able to heal the rift between gender and race. and afraid as far as I see that will be a long time coming. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 04:40:38 PM » |
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The democratic party is so split, moreso than the repubs.as they will soon come together. If Obama is nominated many whites, especially white moderates will not vote for him. If clinton is nominated many blacks and young people will not be so fired up. McCain will win. the dem party has to be able to heal the rift between gender and race. and afraid as far as I see that will be a long time coming. In your dreams, Pitty.  Democrats will line up behind either Obama or Clinton. Enough of them to win the election at least ... |
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 04:47:42 PM » |
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The democratic party is so split, moreso than the repubs.as they will soon come together. If Obama is nominated many whites, especially white moderates will not vote for him. If clinton is nominated many blacks and young people will not be so fired up. McCain will win. the dem party has to be able to heal the rift between gender and race. and afraid as far as I see that will be a long time coming. In your dreams, Pitty. Democrats will line up behind either Obama or Clinton. Enough of them to win the election at least ... heard the same thing about gore heard the same thing about kerry i'll believe it when i see it |
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 04:56:20 PM » |
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heard the same thing about gore
heard the same thing about kerry
i'll believe it when i see it
Gore and Kerry? Yeah ... real inspirational candidates.  They'll put you to sleep faster than Dick Cheney. |
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 04:58:41 PM » |
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heard the same thing about gore
heard the same thing about kerry
i'll believe it when i see it
Gore and Kerry? Yeah ... real inspirational candidates. They'll put you to sleep faster than Dick Cheney. hillary is hated waaay more than those two ever were and hillary is far from a motivational speaker, though she does seem to get a rise out of the audience when she squeezes out a tear or two just sayin don't count mccain out just yet |
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