hillary now 0-10, is this the end...

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

well mrs bill got served again, the loss in wisc being by 17 points.  it was reported that she lost ground in every demographic and won only old white women.  gotta think that these two debates have got to be it for her.  she'll come out swinging for the fences.  debates are not his strong point and it will be interesting to see if he just plays defense and absorbs her attacks or does he hit back.  absent a driver's license for illegals like gaffe this race is over.  the reps gotta want to see this drag out and maybe reach the democratic convention, but i think the party will throw her overboard before that happens. 

[Matrix]

As I stated in previous post that this thing is a Movement. It is not just about Obama.
It is about all of us workig together for something different in America. With this
momemtum we may now win in Texas and challenge in Ohio. Keep in mind, Ohio is very similiar
to Missouri where Barack won. Also note that the negative mud slinging really don't work because
it reminds voters of the past.

Obama 08....Pass It On!!

[conley]

all is going as expected

she will make her final stand in ohio and texas, those are the only two big prizes she has a shot at and its been that way for the past few weeks

for the record my money is on obama obama

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

if she doesn't damage him in the prior debates this is game set and match.  absent a debate kerfuffle texas and ohio will be too close to give her any juice, the party does not want a fight on the floor of the convention.

[conley]

she's minimally better than him in a debate but i dont think its enough to overcome his avalanche like momentum

what can she really do in the debate? her hands are tied...if she goes after him she is considered desparate, bitchy, racist etc

if she does nothing she will get steamrolled

i know! if i were her strategist i would tell her to CRY  but i think she's probably milked that one for all its worth too

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

starting to think that little mac could give obama quite a competitive race.  unlike mrs bill the experience argument carries some weight coming from him.  if iraq continues to improve....

[Matrix]

Hillary is better at the debates then Obama. I will give her that. He will have to
stay cool, humorous  and don't let her get under his skin. If he does that then
he will be ok.


Obama 08....Pass It On!!

[conley]

why does everyone think hillary is better than obama at debates?

the more i think about it the more i think obama is better

he is very well spoken, obviously intelligent, friendly, humourous and delivers a consistent if vague message

hillary sounds like is complaining, her voice straining, and sometimes to me projects a woman on the verge of a nervous breakdown

especially when someone makes a joke and she does that crazy cackle...im getting off topic but i would like to know why you all think

hillary is better at debates than obama bama

[SDML]

I try my best to be polite 'round here, but Matrix my friend, you are full of shit. This movement of yours is ONLY about Obama. Real change, for better or worse, existed in the movements of Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, & Ron Paul. They are all effectively out of the race, with only Paul left to try to bring enough delegates to the table to affect (in a minor way) the policy debate within the GOP.

Obama hasn't said anything of substance at all. Just eloquent & inspiring ramblings about the audacity of hope, looking forward, embracing change, cleaning up Washington, and lots of other warm-fuzzy bumper-stickers - and you and the entire American public bought his BS hook, line, & sinker.

Prove me wrong. Explain to me why you support his health-care package over Gravel's plan, or his foreign policy over Kucinich's, or his monetary policy over Paul's. Explain why his economic stimulus stance is superior to Bush's. Explain, if you don't like policy specifics in a comparative format, the actual mechanism by which Obama's overall political philosophy (or hell, just explain his political philosophy) will bring about this meaningful change.

If that's too weighty a task, just explain what this wondrous vision of his will actually LOOK like. Of course, I suspect we'll all find out soon enough - just wondering if your lofty hopes will be dashed when he actually takes office and serves his first term.

[conley]

Prove me wrong. Explain to me why you support his health-care package over Gravel's plan, or his foreign policy over Kucinich's, or his monetary policy over Paul's. Explain why his economic stimulus stance is superior to Bush's. Explain, if you don't like policy specifics in a comparative format, the actual mechanism by which Obama's overall political philosophy (or hell, just explain his political philosophy) will bring about this meaningful change.

 

there is probably an obama supporter out there who would be willing to attempt this (and it admittedly would be a challenge given the lack of obama's record or saying anything substantive), but there is not a chance in heck that matrix is going to be that person.

moment of silence for kucinich...i love that little elf 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

gotta agree with sdml, obama's candidacy is clearly some form of emotional movement or cult even.  there is no real intellectual commitment and none of his positions are in anyway different than previous dem positions.

[conley]

gotta agree with sdml, obama's candidacy is clearly some form of emotional movement or cult even.  there is no real intellectual commitment and none of his positions are in anyway different than previous dem positions.

a disturbing number of both the obama people and the ron paul people seem dangerously close to cultists...mass mindset mentality

[pittypat65]

I think Obama is doing great!    Poor hill, 

[conley]

I think Obama is doing great!    Poor hill, 

hahah yeah thats cuz you are a mccain woman! dont fool me heh

[pittypat65]

How did you guess?  I like the grump, keeps me from being bored and i have been terribly bored here lately. nothing like a first class idiot to cheer me up.