Is Barrack becoming Shrub to win?

[Peter1469]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/barack_w_bush.html

Now that Obama is the apparent Democrat nominee for president, his policies appear to be morphing into the familiar policies of Shrub.   

It makes political sense that Obama is moving to the center since he knows that a Northern liberal like himself has not won a presidential election since 1960. So don't expect Obama's metamorphosis to stop now. Before this campaign is over, he may well flip some more; would anybody be surprised if he starts supporting some of Bush's proposal for expanded domestic oil drilling or backtracks on raising trillions in new payroll taxes?
In fact, replace George Bush's Texas twang, cowboy strut and evangelical Bible thumping with Barack Obama's mellifluous "hope and change" rhetoric, easy grace and leftwing Christianity and we may discover a flashy new cover to an old book.
A final question: If, even as Obama trashes Bush, he seems to agree with him on so many fronts, why don't conservatives and Republicans adopt Obama as a welcome convert?

[trex]

Im gonna cut his nuts off!

[Vermouth]

No it wouldn't surprise me. He can use the same rationale as McCain has.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

No it wouldn't surprise me. He can use the same rationale as McCain has.

really, what would that be?

[Vermouth]

No it wouldn't surprise me. He can use the same rationale as McCain has.

really, what would that be?

It's popular now.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

No it wouldn't surprise me. He can use the same rationale as McCain has.

really, what would that be?

It's popular now.

examples please.

[Vermouth]

No it wouldn't surprise me. He can use the same rationale as McCain has.

really, what would that be?

It's popular now.

examples please.

"I have adjusted to the realities of the world we live in today, and if I don't adjust to those realities, then I would be stuck in the past." -John McCain

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

the differences are as follows:
little mac's position on taxes is not a flip-flop, it's a lie.  he opposed the bush tax cuts and spoke in terms of class warfare in his opposition.  on immigration, little mac and co. did receive their comeuppance from the american people regarding amnesty.  the problem for little mac is that no one seriously believes his bs re security and the majority of this country does not believe that people in this country illegally should be rewarded with amnesty.  on energy, any candidate who has opposed the expanded use of our own resources can make a smooth transition to pro-drilling etc...by merely pointing out the burden of escalating gas prices on the american people...
bo, opposed fisa throughout the nomination process due to the retroactive exemption of telecoms.  today he votes for a fisa bill, that contains the same said exemption.  bo's was adamant in his recent opposition, advocating a filibuster.  this is a clear flip-flop.  iraq, find previous statements where bo said our withdrawal would hinge upon stability??  this is a flip-flop.  guns, bo is on record as supporting the dc ban on handguns as constitutional.  now he would claim that the dc decision is in line with his own position.  this is an attempted obfuscation of the issue and a lie.  campaign finance, bo supported public funding for the general election.  now he is opposed for obvious reasons.  this is a flip-flop.  bo states that he does not receive money from pacs and lobbyists.  this is an obfuscation, millions of dollars flowing into his coffers come from people intimately associated with pacs and lobbyists or they themselves being formerly registered lobbyists.  on nafta, bo threatened to unilaterally adjust or withdraw from nafta during the nomination invariably standing in front of factory workers.  today he characterizes that position as over heated campaign rhetoric.  early on bo was criticized for not wearing the flag pin.  he responded by expressing that such pins "became a substitute for i think, true patriotism."  today he is never seen without such a pin on his lapel and flanked by american flags.  this is a flip-flop.

[BigLebowski]

Barack is moving from the left to the center, and McCain has moved from the center to the Right.  Why is Obama being called out and not McCain?   


Both candidates are trying to win an election.   I judge the candidate on what they do after they get elected, not what they do to get elected.   

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Barack is moving from the left to the center, and McCain has moved from the center to the Right.  Why is Obama being called out and not McCain?   


Both candidates are trying to win an election.   I judge the candidate on what they do after they get elected, not what they do to get elected.   

i believe i just answered your question, further ordinarily the best predictor of future behavior is one's behavior in the past.  little mac has been middle, right and left since at least 2000.  bo has been nothing but hard left on any and every issue prior to june 2008.  finally, this statement in bold is nonsense.  why don't you just flip a coin for christ sakes.  this is the intellectual gymnastics that one must engage in to justify voting for bo.

[BigLebowski]

Barack is moving from the left to the center, and McCain has moved from the center to the Right.  Why is Obama being called out and not McCain?   


Both candidates are trying to win an election.   I judge the candidate on what they do after they get elected, not what they do to get elected.   

i believe i just answered your question, further ordinarily the best predictor of future behavior is one's behavior in the past.  little mac has been middle, right and left since at least 2000.  bo has been nothing but hard left on any and every issue prior to june 2008.  finally, this statement in bold is nonsense.  why don't you just flip a coin for christ sakes.  this is the intellectual gymnastics that one must engage in to justify voting for bo.

Why do I need to flip a coin.   Obama's core values, I agree with.   McCain's I don't.    No intellectual gymnastics needed.   

[BIGTEX]

Where's the money you owe BIGTEX?

[Vermouth]

Mr Grumpy, you are probably right about FISA and campaign finance. But on Iraq, Obama has said for some time that the pace of withdrawal would be gradual and subject to adjustment.

Sept. 26, 2007: "I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there. I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we're carrying out counterterrorism activities there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out."

May 4, 2008: "Of course, I would factor in the possibilities of genocide, and I factored it in when I said that I would begin a phased withdrawal. What we have talked about is a very deliberate and prudent approach to the withdrawal -- one to two brigades per month. At that pace, it would take about 16 months, assuming that George Bush is not going to lower troop levels before the next president takes office. We are talking about, potentially, two years away. At that point, we will have been in Iraq seven years. If we cannot get the Iraqis to stand up in seven years, we're not going to get them to stand up in 14 or 28 or 56 years."

You are still upset about the flag pin? He resigned himself to wearing a piece of plastic becaues it makes people happy.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Barack is moving from the left to the center, and McCain has moved from the center to the Right.  Why is Obama being called out and not McCain?   


Both candidates are trying to win an election.   I judge the candidate on what they do after they get elected, not what they do to get elected.   

i believe i just answered your question, further ordinarily the best predictor of future behavior is one's behavior in the past.  little mac has been middle, right and left since at least 2000.  bo has been nothing but hard left on any and every issue prior to june 2008.  finally, this statement in bold is nonsense.  why don't you just flip a coin for christ sakes.  this is the intellectual gymnastics that one must engage in to justify voting for bo.

Why do I need to flip a coin.   Obama's core values, I agree with.   McCain's I don't.    No intellectual gymnastics needed.   

you have no more idea as to what bo's core values might be than apparently does he.

[Peter1469]

Barack is moving from the left to the center, and McCain has moved from the center to the Right.  Why is Obama being called out and not McCain?   


Both candidates are trying to win an election.   I judge the candidate on what they do after they get elected, not what they do to get elected.   

Don’t do that!  It is much too late at that point.