Illegal Alien Attempts Abduction Rape of 9 Year Old NC Girl

[Vermouth]

Of course I would have to be commissioned as a Colonel at least.  And I would want the option of picking prime real estate on the shore to put my compound.  I mean the really white sand beaches with the really blue water.  Not that lesser quality bullshit. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

I agree with your general sentiments.  However, I believe that the vast majority of the migrants moving in from the South are good people. But when you have ~20 million people, even a small percentage of bad apples could be devastating from a crime standpoint.  Regardless, even the most peace-loving migrants are a harm to a society if they do not assimilate. 

they are illegal aliens.  we cannot and will not deal with a problem if we are for whatever reason unwilling to call a spade a spade.   

I am not disputing that. 

I would frog-march them to the boarder- but with the realization that the vast majority of them were good people.  I would give them some good advice on self-reliance and creating a great country of ones' own during the frog-march.  Hell, if they actually grew a pair and wanted to fight to create a decent country of their own I might join them.  Of course I would have to be commissioned as a Colonel at least.  And I would want the option of picking prime real estate on the shore to put my compound.  I mean the really white sand beaches with the really blue water.  Not that lesser quality bullshit. 

cease with the rationalizations and obfuscations.  they are [size=0pt]all [/size] criminals.  you nor i have any idea as to whether or not they are "good people".  what we know with % certainty is that they are all criminals.  if the conversation does not start here then there can be no honest conversation.

[Peter1469]

I agree with your general sentiments.  However, I believe that the vast majority of the migrants moving in from the South are good people. But when you have ~20 million people, even a small percentage of bad apples could be devastating from a crime standpoint.  Regardless, even the most peace-loving migrants are a harm to a society if they do not assimilate. 

they are illegal aliens.  we cannot and will not deal with a problem if we are for whatever reason unwilling to call a spade a spade.   

I am not disputing that. 

I would frog-march them to the boarder- but with the realization that the vast majority of them were good people.  I would give them some good advice on self-reliance and creating a great country of ones' own during the frog-march.  Hell, if they actually grew a pair and wanted to fight to create a decent country of their own I might join them.  Of course I would have to be commissioned as a Colonel at least.  And I would want the option of picking prime real estate on the shore to put my compound.  I mean the really white sand beaches with the really blue water.  Not that lesser quality bullshit. 

cease with the rationalizations and obfuscations.  they are [size=0pt]all [/size] criminals.  you nor i have any idea as to whether or not they are "good people".  what we know with % certainty is that they are all criminals.  if the conversation does not start here then there can be no honest conversation.

Whatever.

You are hung up on a lot of testosterone.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

Have you ever gotten the opportunity to legitimately burn any off?



We appear to agree about the solution; you just wish that I had as sour an attitude as you regarding the execution of Operation Repatriate Wet-Back. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

this has nothing to do with testosterone and it seems that your lawyerly logic leaves you when discussing this issue.  "i would frog march them blah blah blah....but.....they are mostly just good people..."  don't be a "but monkey".  the first decision contemplated by your good people was to violate our sovereignty, followed closely by falsifying id, and in many cases id theft.  every day, hour, minute, second that they are here they are criminals.  do we need a migrant work force...yes.  can we and should we do so in such a way as to know who is entering, leaving and attempting to illegally stay....yes.  should we have both border and meaningful interior enforcement...yes.  does any of this have anything to do with your, mine or anybody else's level of testosterone...no.  are the ramifications of our failures to act in the past, present and future deleterious to the present and future of this country....yes.  are you bright enough to recognize this...undoubtedly.       

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

ya'll seem to dance around this issue. The reason illegals come here is because they can get jobs. If you cut off the jobs, they'll go back.

All we as country need to do is make it a federal crime, punishable by 5 years in prison, with a $50,000 fine per illegal employee hired -- and then ENFORCE the law ... you will not have a problem of illegal workers in this country.

But this would impact those reputable businessmen/women who give millions to politicians to ensure the system we have in place remains that way cuz they get cheap labor and maximize profits -- so it will probably never happen.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

they come here because they can get jobs, education, medical, housing, all other forms of social welfare support and because they can. 

[OswaldTheOsprey]

ya'll seem to dance around this issue. The reason illegals come here is because they can get jobs. If you cut off the jobs, they'll go back.

All we as country need to do is make it a federal crime, punishable by 5 years in prison, with a $50,000 fine per illegal employee hired -- and then ENFORCE the law ... you will not have a problem of illegal workers in this country.

But this would impact those reputable businessmen/women who give millions to politicians to ensure the system we have in place remains that way cuz they get cheap labor and maximize profits -- so it will probably never happen.

Excellent points. Very good ideas. A better one: Nationalization.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Jacob.]

ya'll seem to dance around this issue. The reason illegals come here is because they can get jobs. If you cut off the jobs, they'll go back.

All we as country need to do is make it a federal crime, punishable by 5 years in prison, with a $50,000 fine per illegal employee hired -- and then ENFORCE the law ... you will not have a problem of illegal workers in this country.

But this would impact those reputable businessmen/women who give millions to politicians to ensure the system we have in place remains that way cuz they get cheap labor and maximize profits -- so it will probably never happen.

Excellent points. Very good ideas. A better one: Nationalization.

OswaldTheOsprey

I am strongly opposed to the idea of nationalization, but it appears as though that's going to happen sooner or later.  FEMAcare!

[OswaldTheOsprey]

ya'll seem to dance around this issue. The reason illegals come here is because they can get jobs. If you cut off the jobs, they'll go back.

All we as country need to do is make it a federal crime, punishable by 5 years in prison, with a $50,000 fine per illegal employee hired -- and then ENFORCE the law ... you will not have a problem of illegal workers in this country.

But this would impact those reputable businessmen/women who give millions to politicians to ensure the system we have in place remains that way cuz they get cheap labor and maximize profits -- so it will probably never happen.

Excellent points. Very good ideas. A better one: Nationalization.

OswaldTheOsprey

I am strongly opposed to the idea of nationalization, but it appears as though that's going to happen sooner or later.  FEMAcare!

International financiers and multinational corporations do not have the U.S.'s best interest at heart.

OswaldTheOsprey

[jkoffan]

Another reason the illegal aliens come here is
because the wealthy Mexicans do not want to
pay taxes to support them in Mexico.
They do not consider them to be Mexicans,
they classify them as "Indians", unworthy.
Anyone who is disgusted with the illegal alien
situation should sign up with www.numbersusa.com.
There you can be effective in changing our laws to
reverse this social/economic crisis.

[Peter1469]

There was a news article today that stated the Mexican economy had picked up this year and many Mexican migrants have switched directions and headed south.  Has anyone seen this news article?

[Hibbidy Ha]

Another reason the illegal aliens come here is
because the wealthy Mexicans do not want to
pay taxes to support them in Mexico.
They do not consider them to be Mexicans,
they classify them as "Indians", unworthy.
Anyone who is disgusted with the illegal alien
situation should sign up with www.numbersusa.com.
There you can be effective in changing our laws to
reverse this social/economic crisis.

Sounds like a road America is headed down as well....

[OswaldTheOsprey]

Another reason the illegal aliens come here is
because the wealthy Mexicans do not want to
pay taxes to support them in Mexico.
They do not consider them to be Mexicans,
they classify them as "Indians", unworthy.
Anyone who is disgusted with the illegal alien
situation should sign up with www.numbersusa.com.
There you can be effective in changing our laws to
reverse this social/economic crisis.

Sounds like a road America is headed down as well....

So true, unfortunately.

OswaldTheOsprey