Liberals promote racism in America.

[Peter1469]

oj was not acquitted because he was loved.  oj was acquitted because the jury knew that he was guilty.  it was a means for people who have felt powerless and victimized (justifiably and self-inflicted) to strike back at white established power.  this is the racial chasm we (white and black) have endeavored so diligently to create.  with regard to the death penalty;  if you are not morally opposed to the death penalty than you have two possible solutions.  first, eliminate judicial discretion and sentence according to statute.  this would also require that you eliminate the wiggle room within statutes.  second, you might change the standard of proof required to administer the death penalty from reasonable doubt to absolute certainty.  the sentencing phase would merely be a review of the evidence absent victim impact statements or mea culpas by the defendant. 

I would not have a problem with your second option.  It would address my concerns.  We could also have a pool of well trained death-eligible defense attorneys so they at least stay awake when representing their shit-head clients. 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I am against the death penalty. I do believe that liberals promote racism in this country. 

Pitty, you are a sweet person, but that statement is entirely false.  I am a liberal/lefty/independent (or whatever), and I get along fine with other races.  Almost everybody I've ever met or know about that has similar political and moral ideals is largely open-minded to other races, and...well, EVERYBODY.  Liberals don't like to pick on people at all, that's why we're LIBERAL.  Liberals don't call people "whiney" or "lazy" or accuse people of belonging to "generation ME".  I personally just want all American people to have what they deserve, no more, no less.

And it's funny I'm hearing this from the right side now, when liberals used to be accused of always "taking the black side".  So I suggest that if people are going to put slanderous stereotypes on liberals, they should have at least some consistency.

Believe what you will, say what you must, but I'm not going to go around posting negative, slanderous and ill-founded things like that about republicans just because I don't like most of them.

But Spunk...you just implied that I was a racist. 

[pittypat65]

I am against the death penalty. I do believe that liberals promote racism in this country. 

I think it's funny how you end such a negative statement with a smiley, like it's supposed to lighten people's spirits about what you said.

"I think I'll kill myself today. "

Pitty, you are a sweet person, but that statement is entirely false.  I am a liberal/lefty/independent (or whatever), and I get along fine with other races.  Almost everybody I've ever met or know about that has similar political and moral ideals is largely open-minded to other races, and...well, EVERYBODY.  Liberals don't like to pick on people at all, that's why we're LIBERAL.  Liberals don't call people "whiney" or "lazy" or accuse people of belonging to "generation ME".  I personally just want all American people to have what they deserve, no more, no less.

And it's funny I'm hearing this from the right side now, when liberals used to be accused of always "taking the black side".  So I suggest that if people are going to put slanderous stereotypes on liberals, they should have at least some consistency.

Believe what you will, say what you must, but I'm not going to go around posting negative, slanderous and ill-founded things like that about republicans just because I don't like most of them.

I'm also against the death penalty, but I also live in a state that doesn't practice it, so I'm content.  Other states can kill all the criminals they want, if the criminals there are dumb enough to commit those crimes knowing they could die for it.  Overall, I hope it is eventually replaced with a better means to rehabilitate criminals.

You know, I really don't care about the death penalty anymore.  There's plenty of killing happening elsewhere, it's almost redundant to waste energy worrying about how our country handles it's most offensive criminals.

Personally I think it should be left up to the victim's family to decide, but that could get really ugly.

Mr. D, don't ever bring up racism again after that little comment.

What comment was that? You don't think Black men commit a disproportionate share of violent crime? I'm surprised that an obviously true statement could provoke such an ideological and irrational response from a "free" thinker.

Violent crime is violent crime and anybody is capable of it.  Statistics don't prove anything when you ask "Which race does more violent crime?"
Here it's white, there it's blacks, over there it's Hispanics.  So no, your statement is not "obviously" true in my eyes, and maybe because I AM a free thinker.

I used a smiley face because I don't want you to think Im saying this in a nasty way. Liberals do promote racism. The ACLU, NAACP etc. make a living off race issues etc. They spend all their time looking for race problems and if they can't find them they make them up and create bogus claims. Therefore they promote racism and make an industry out of it. If no racism then no money. What would these racist do for a living then?    

[pittypat65]

Until now I have always voted democrat but not this time. I have registered as an independant and am voting for John McCain. I can't believe that so many people would vote for people like Obama or Clinton, and especially lulled by this Obama person who we know so little about. He had told numerous flat out lies concerning every aspect of his life, and Clinton is not the portrait of honesty either. These two people have nothing to offer this country. You may not believe but it now, but if either of these two are elected as president the cost will be tremendous.  Please think long and hard before you vote in November.

[spunkloaf]

I am against the death penalty. I do believe that liberals promote racism in this country. 

Pitty, you are a sweet person, but that statement is entirely false.  I am a liberal/lefty/independent (or whatever), and I get along fine with other races.  Almost everybody I've ever met or know about that has similar political and moral ideals is largely open-minded to other races, and...well, EVERYBODY.  Liberals don't like to pick on people at all, that's why we're LIBERAL.  Liberals don't call people "whiney" or "lazy" or accuse people of belonging to "generation ME".  I personally just want all American people to have what they deserve, no more, no less.

And it's funny I'm hearing this from the right side now, when liberals used to be accused of always "taking the black side".  So I suggest that if people are going to put slanderous stereotypes on liberals, they should have at least some consistency.

Believe what you will, say what you must, but I'm not going to go around posting negative, slanderous and ill-founded things like that about republicans just because I don't like most of them.

But Spunk...you just implied that I was a racist. 

Mr. Dilly Wang, I'm sorry.  Clearly my emotions are getting away with me on this topic, partly because of the title of it.

I'm really trying to break the barriers between the right and left so that people stop posting bogus suggestions.

Forgive me.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

I'm a White nationalist of the Jared Taylor stripe. I hope I don't rub you the wrong way. Perhaps I do...

Telling the truth is most important to me. The human races are distinct and have evolved in ways that profoundly affect our behavior with regard to crime, sex, disease etc etc etc. I firmly believe that our immigration policy and inability to deal with race rationally is nothing short of suicidal.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

I'm glad someone sees the difference between the two. 

Unless that was sarcasm. 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Also, it's important to understand that these racial differences are not matters of inferiority or superiority. Will they be viewed that way by some? Sure, but so what? In truth, they are merely the product of survival strategies tailored to widely different environmental conditions.

Nonetheless, they are very real and pretending that they do not exist will not do an ounce of good.

[Peter1469]

Until now I have always voted democrat but not this time. I have registered as an independant and am voting for John McCain. I can't believe that so many people would vote for people like Obama or Clinton, and especially lulled by this Obama person who we know so little about. He had told numerous flat out lies concerning every aspect of his life, and Clinton is not the portrait of honesty either. These two people have nothing to offer this country. You may not believe but it now, but if either of these two are elected as president the cost will be tremendous.  Please think long and hard before you vote in November.

Yep I am going to think long and hard before I vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Until now I have always voted democrat but not this time. I have registered as an independant and am voting for John McCain. I can't believe that so many people would vote for people like Obama or Clinton, and especially lulled by this Obama person who we know so little about. He had told numerous flat out lies concerning every aspect of his life, and Clinton is not the portrait of honesty either. These two people have nothing to offer this country. You may not believe but it now, but if either of these two are elected as president the cost will be tremendous.  Please think long and hard before you vote in November.

Yep I am going to think long and hard before I vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE

pittypat kinda hit on something.  we know little about obama and too much about mrs bill and little mac!

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

actually i had been abusing the evil drug that is bloody mary and so at the time the question was sarcasm.  on a serious side, don't know who jared taylor is and please do not enlighten me.  what does the exercise of your concept of white supremacy look like in a free society?? 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

actually i had been abusing the evil drug that is bloody mary and so at the time the question was sarcasm.  on a serious side, don't know who jared taylor is and please do not enlighten me.  what does the exercise of your concept of white supremacy look like in a free society?? 

It looks White, Grumpy.  What's wrong with wanting our nation to remain recognizably Western and European?

We pretty much see eye to eye on multiculturalism and its attendant dangers judging from our previous discussions. Furthermore, what I stated above about race is correct. I think we need to drop the blinders from our eyes and preserve our heritage and our nation. I am not, however, for uprooting anyone from the US. That would be extremely immoral and would require an extremely violent effort. Obviously, this is not going to happen and thank God. Moreover, Blacks did not ask to come here. We brought them here. Case closed. That said, the situation isn't good. Why make it worse by inviting millions of highschool dropouts from Mexico, for example, whose average IQ is 87.

  All I said was that Blacks commit a disproportionate share of violent crime....but honestly Grumpy, I don't blame you for being wary. There are a lot of "truthseekers" and assorted nuts out there. 

[spunkloaf]

mr d are you racist or merely white supremest??

actually i had been abusing the evil drug that is bloody mary and so at the time the question was sarcasm.  on a serious side, don't know who jared taylor is and please do not enlighten me.  what does the exercise of your concept of white supremacy look like in a free society?? 

It looks White, Grumpy.  What's wrong with wanting our nation to remain recognizably Western and European?

We pretty much see eye to eye on multiculturalism and its attendant dangers judging from our previous discussions. Furthermore, what I stated above about race is correct. I think we need to drop the blinders from our eyes and preserve our heritage and our nation. I am not, however, for uprooting anyone from the US. That would be extremely immoral and would require an extremely violent effort. Obviously, this is not going to happen and thank God. Moreover, Blacks did not ask to come here. We brought them here. Case closed. That said, the situation isn't good. Why make it worse by inviting millions of highschool dropouts from Mexico, for example, whose average IQ is 87.

  All I said was that Blacks commit a disproportionate share of violent crime....but honestly Grumpy, I don't blame you for being wary. There are a lot of "truthseekers" and assorted nuts out there. 

Finally it all becomes clear.

D-wang, some of what you say here is respectable and very understandable.  But I hope you do realize yours is a dying breed.  White supremacists, I believe, are on the way out the door and I think it's a good thing for our nation.

Seriously man it's when people point out all those differences between whites and blacks (and damn, if only it stopped there) that keeps everybody from coming to a greater conclusion of how to live with it.

White supremacy as a means to preserve our nation as "Western" and "European" is wrong.  The last time I checked, Europe is more liberal than

The only way to keep people happy is to preserve freedom and democracy.  The more people come out and blame races or other groups of people for problems which come almost exclusively from poverty, the more we are divided and the longer it will take for us to adapt a universal understanding between each other.

[wow]

Spunk,

Shortly after I joined this board, Mr D. admitted he was racey.
I have more respect for that than I do for Obama for being deceitful about being a racist.
I think Americans should have the freedom to be racists, though I detest any type of racism!