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Peter1469
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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2008, 11:25:15 PM »

Do you have a link to the poll?  The polls that I have seen do indeed state that Canadians love their system for preventative care and for routine visits.  However, for acute care and surgery the poll numbers drop drastically.  This is because of single-payer (universal government health care) healthcare is rationed care. 


http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/08/20/cma-healthcare.html


Here is a research paper on the topic that concludes that both systems have their problems, but Canadians are happier.
http://pa.wichita.edu/research/2006/2006%20Papers/2006%20Grove.pdf   

There is certainly something wrong with health insurance being the primary access to healthcare.  It is not market based and it inflates cost. 


WRONG! My father had a triple bypass and did not have to wait. The man across the street from was diagnosed with cancer and had to wait over three months for treatment. Thats one of our health plans for you. He had to go to Arizona just to get a decent doctor.

There are seven statements and two links there.  Which does the WRONG apply to?  Where did you father get triple bypass?  Where did the man accross the street have to wait for treatment?
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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2008, 09:01:52 PM »

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So exhausting.  Everyone has this view of U.S. healthcare as being the best in the world...yet we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world, we rank 37th in quality of healthcare, we have insurance companies dictating what kinds of treatments we get.  I truly believe that all of you who are so happy with our healthcare are those that can afford to pay for it out of your pocket. 

As someone who has worked in healthcare administration for 8 years, I've seen it all and all over the country.  There are some cities and towns where you can get decent healthcare and then there are many where doctors and hospitals can't make any money because of self-pay or indigent patients.  The system is completely broken.  Period.  I'm glad you can pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, but many cannot and are left to for-profit insurance companies to tell them what kinds of treatments they will and won't pay for.  For instance, I have psoriasis, and am prescribed a drug that works very well by my dermatologist, but my insurance company thinks it's "experimental" so they will only pay for steriod creams which don't work and permanently discolor the skin.  I just pay for it myself out of my own pocket.  Imagine if you had something more serious...like kidney cancer. 

For all of you "free market" types, why are we stopping at healthcare?  Let's free market the police, fire department, county government offices, everything!  I'm going to choose ABC Police Station because the cost is lower and deliver OK service...  Ridiculous.  We're talking about life and death.  Get a clue.

Sorry, but I have to chuckle at this, Brad.  "As someone who has worked in healthcare administration for 8 years, I've seen it all and all over the country."  You've been a busy little paper-pusher, my friend!   Grin
     
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2008, 11:52:52 PM »

Well he is exhausted. 
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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2008, 06:57:18 AM »

is "free market types" an insult Huh 
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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2008, 10:49:25 AM »

Do you have a link to the poll?  The polls that I have seen do indeed state that Canadians love their system for preventative care and for routine visits.  However, for acute care and surgery the poll numbers drop drastically.  This is because of single-payer (universal government health care) healthcare is rationed care. 


http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/08/20/cma-healthcare.html


Here is a research paper on the topic that concludes that both systems have their problems, but Canadians are happier.
http://pa.wichita.edu/research/2006/2006%20Papers/2006%20Grove.pdf   

There is certainly something wrong with health insurance being the primary access to healthcare.  It is not market based and it inflates cost. 


WRONG! My father had a triple bypass and did not have to wait. The man across the street from was diagnosed with cancer and had to wait over three months for treatment. Thats one of our health plans for you. He had to go to Arizona just to get a decent doctor.

There are seven statements and two links there.  Which does the WRONG apply to?  Where did you father get triple bypass?  Where did the man accross the street have to wait for treatment?

man across the street lives in las vegas nv, father lives in new brunswick canada.
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2008, 02:06:27 PM »

i am also pittypat65. forgot my password etc. so signed on my laptop as pittypat2.  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2008, 02:31:09 PM »

i am also pittypat65. forgot my password etc. so signed on my laptop as pittypat2.  Smiley

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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2008, 08:09:06 PM »

the future of personalized medicine.  This could be good if protections are in place to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to people based upon the results of the genetic tests.

Peter, this should please you:

"A bill that would prohibit discrimination by health insurers and employers based on the information that people carry in their genes won final approval in Congress on Thursday by an overwhelming vote.

The legislation, which President Bush has indicated he will sign, speaks both to the mounting hope that genetic research may greatly improve health care and the fear of a dystopia in which people’s own DNA could be turned against them.

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The legislation, known as the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, prohibits health insurance companies from using genetic information to deny benefits or raise premiums for individual policies. (It is already illegal to exclude individuals from a group plan because of their genetic profile.) Employers who use genetic information to make decisions about hiring, firing or compensation could be fined as much as $300,000 for each violation.

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For health insurers, the bill may avert the need to compete in a complex game of calibrating policies to an ever-changing set of genetic risk probabilities. But as genetic tests provide ever more information at lower costs, the entire notion of insuring against unknown risk that has long defined the industry may be upended.

It may also give ammunition to those who argue for universal health care. “Ultimately unlocking all these genetic secrets will make the whole idea of private health insurance obsolete,” said Karen Pollitz, director of the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University..."

Congress Passes Bill to Bar Bias Based on Genes
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2008, 08:12:09 PM »

i am also pittypat65. forgot my password etc. so signed on my laptop as pittypat2.  Smiley

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somehow i got off and didnt remember my new e mail, password or id so redid everything and became scarlett.  Smiley  Sorry. Pittypat2 no longer exists nut pittypat1965 does as well as scarlett.
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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2008, 11:53:22 PM »

Vermouth- thanks I did see that bill was passed.  I do think that it is a good law, although I am not sure why they didn’t include something about employers making employment decisions based on genetics.  I guess because any intelligent employer would never admit that they didn’t hire a person because they were a genetic mess that would cost a lot in health care and missed work days. 
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