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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2008, 10:04:41 PM »

it's a shame dragonfly was driven off this site. she was a quality poster.  Sad

who drove her off?
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2008, 10:08:49 PM »

it's a shame dragonfly was driven off this site. she was a quality poster.  Sad

who drove her off?

i think i actually have her confused with another poster...there was a woman from new jersey maybe? someone who didn't like the harshness this site sometimes brings. i believe she mentioned in one of her last posts...looking back at dragonfly's posts i don't see any of that, so it must not have been her. still it's too bad she left, not sure where she went.
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2008, 10:10:51 PM »

this is the person i was thinking of -- jacklyn

http://politirant.com/forums/profile/?u=82

her last post compares this place to animal house and calls the posters nut jobs  Grin
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2008, 10:16:02 PM »

Well, I don't deny that I am a nut job. People do need to keep perspective though. I remember some of my debates/arguments with my ex fiancee (debates in my mind and arguments in hers) about - get this - evolution vrs creationism (and I bet you won't guess which side I was on heh heh). She took the debates/arguments personally and even threw a bowl of rice at me. My position was that it was never personal.
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2008, 10:22:35 PM »

yikes...that is unfortunate. at least you guys figured it out it wouldn't work before you got married.

we've had some big wars on here about creationism v. evolution. sdml was a libertarian who used to post here and he'd go off on 'intelligent design'...i am a live and let live kind of guy. i believe god is responsible for the ingredients and we evolved over time. i believe in both.
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2008, 10:27:23 PM »

Ah I still love her, but apparently she went into the relationship thinking I would change. I did a little, but not enough to suit her. She's a good girl though.

As far as evolution v creationism, I think they both have some good and bad points. I was merely arguing the point that evolution cannot be considered a "fact". That set her off.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2008, 10:40:32 PM »

i'd agree with that.
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2008, 12:34:36 PM »

I am sure that you learned your lesson- it is hard to debate with a lover and keep it totally non-emotional.  My wife and I have figured out how to do it- but it only works for a short time before she says enough, change the topic. 
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2008, 04:44:12 PM »

I am sure that you learned your lesson- it is hard to debate with a lover and keep it totally non-emotional.  My wife and I have figured out how to do it- but it only works for a short time before she says enough, change the topic. 

I dont think you can change people's minds without debate. So in that case I guess I have not learned my lesson and that I will always debate with anyone be they friends, lovers, strangers, or enemies. I can only promise not to take offense. Changing is hard and often painful. People being lead to change oftentimes hate it. This is why I think Obama's message is so much BS. True change comes at a cost. Obama promises change with no cost (well at least not to his voters). Therefore, Obama is doing nothing but lying.

As far as my ex goes, she didn't leave me because of my debating, she left because she went into the relationship for what she though I could (should) be not because of what I am. She wanted someone more ambitious (money wise), more family desiring, and more commercial. Those were the things that I couldn't change about myself. I did though turn her (someone brought up in a fully Republican family) into a libertarian. So I had some success.  Cheesy
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