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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2008, 01:44:47 PM »

Okay people, here's proof that the government is slowly integrating the US with Canada and Mexico. I live in North Carolina and I found out that my driver's license has the SPP/NAU symbol on the back. The SPP, Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America,has the same symbol on it's website as I have on my NC Driver's License!

The SPP website:
http://www.spp.gov/

This article includes a photo of the emblem on the back of the NC driver's license:
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?p=310

The NC driver's license I have just now learned has added security features (ex facial scanning). Also this is interesting/disturbing, I have a nc driver's license number and I have a different 8 digit number included in this symbol. Could that be my NAU id number?

Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, told WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver’s licenses. “It’s a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver’s license in North America.”

http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?p=310
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2008, 01:50:23 PM »

See what happens when you Let Democrats have the wheel?

This Nafta thing started with Clinton.

See what happens Larry (Big Lebowski)

Actually, NAFTA was drafted by HW Bush and Clinton saw it thru to completion.  The Dems and The Reps are in this together. 


Thanks for that correction, you are exactly right on.  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2008, 02:06:39 PM »

Welcome Smiley

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all.  But I would like to drive the point to people that this is more than a partisan issue.  The NAU is being opposed by many senators and congressmen (republicans and democrats).  But our federal government is forcing it on us anyway!   

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/oVx9M4Yk--Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/oVx9M4Yk--Q</a>

Courtesy of Youtube.com
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 07:35:14 PM »

Here's a list of current members of The Council of Foreign Relations: You know the group that supports the idea of a North American Community!
Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010 - Council on Foreign Relations
Read this article on the CFR and you'll see what ideas they support.

Madeleine Albright (former United States Secretary of State)
Sandy Berger (United States National Security Advisor under President Bill Clinton)
Michael R. Bloomberg (Current Mayor of New York City)
Bill Brock (former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee)
Tom Brokaw
Rick Warren
Edgar Bronfman (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter)
Jonathan S. Bush (healthcare CEO, son of Jonathan Bush, brother of NBC entertainment reporter Billy Bush)
Jimmy Carter
Dick Cheney
Warren Christopher (former United States Secretary of State)
Bill Clinton
Michael Crow (president of Arizona State University)
Peggy Dulany (fourth child of David Rockefeller)
Lawrence Eagleburger ( former United States Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush)
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr.
Noah Feldman (academic and author)
Mikhail Fridman (Russian oligarch, International Advisory Board member)
Thomas Friedman (journalist, The New York Times)
Robert M. Gates (United States Secretary of Defense, former Director of Central Intelligence)
Leslie Gelb
Alan Greenspan (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Gary Hart (former Democratic U.S. Senator representing Colorado, Council for a Livable World chairman, advisory board member for the Partnership for a Secure America)
Chris Heinz (Heir to the H. J. Heinz Company ketchup fortune)
Warren Hoge (American journalist)
Angelina Jolie (UN Goodwill Ambassador)[6]
Vernon Jordan (close advisor to President William J. Clinton)
Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
John Kerry
Henry Kissinger
Irving Kristol (founder of American neoconservatism, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute)
Paul R. Krugman
Paula Zahn - news media, formerly an anchor on CNN
John D. Negroponte (United States Deputy Secretary of State, former Director of National Intelligence, former U.S. ambassador to Honduras)
Stan O'Neal (Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Merrill Lynch)
John McCain
Henry Paulson (United States Treasury Secretary)
Kitty Pilgrim
Richard Pipes (father of founder/director of Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes)
Norman Podhoretz (former editor-in-chief of "Commentary", senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Project for the New American Century (PNAC) signatory)
Steve Poizner (California businessman and Republican politician)
Colin Powell (former United States Secretary of State, former National Security Advisor, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Charles Prince (chief executive officer of Citigroup)
Condoleezza Rice
Keith A. Ridley, IV(Washington,DC Businessman)
Alice Rivlin (economist, former U.S. cabinet member)
David Rockefeller, Jr.
John D. Rockefeller, IV
Charlie Rose
Frederick Iseman : A Harold Pratt Fellow
Karenna Gore Schiff (daughter of Al Gore)
Brent Scowcroft (United States National Security Advisor under Presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush)
George Shultz (former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury, former United States Secretary of Labor)
Ron Silver (actor, director, producer, cofounded the organization One Jerusalem)
Walter B. Slocombe (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy)
George Soros
Jonathan Soros
Lesley Stahl
Fred Thompson (Actor, former Senator from Tennessee, Presidential candidate)
Paul Volcker (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Barbara Walters
Steven Weinberg (American physicist)
John C. Whitehead (chairman of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, former United States Deputy Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former Goldman Sachs chairman)
Shirley Williams, Baroness Williams of Crosby (International Advisory Board member)
Adam Wolfensohn
James D. Wolfensohn (former president of the World Bank)
Paul Wolfowitz (former president of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense)
James Woolsey (former Director of Central Intelligence and former head of the Central Intelligence Agency)
Robert Zoellick (President of the World Bank)
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 07:37:10 PM »

Here's a list of the Corporate Members of the CFR: See who controls our country! Members of the Council on Foreign Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Some of the corporate members follow, most whom are Fortune 500.

ABC News
Alcoa
American Express
AIG
Bank of America
Bloomberg
Boeing
BP
Chevron
Citigroup
Coca Cola
De Beers
Deutsche Bank
ExxonMobil
FedEx
Ford Motor
General Electric
GlaxoSmithKline
Google
Goldman Sachs
Halliburton
Heinz
Hess
IBM
JP Morgan Chase
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Lehman Brothers
Lockheed Martin
MasterCard
McGraw-Hill
McKinsey
Merck
Merrill Lynch
Motorola
Nasdaq
News Corp
Nike
Pepsi
Pfizer
Shell Oil
Sony Corporation of America
Tata Group
Time Warner
Total S.A.
Toyota Motor North America
UBS
United Technologies
United States Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Trust Corporation
Verizon
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2008, 08:53:53 PM »

SPP plans a North American Center for Disease Control.  Keep in mind that the CDC is a US government agency.  The SPP is taking the liberty of creating a North American Government Agency without approval from Congress! And without approval from US citizens.

http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11:  This is link to full article.
SPP Response to Jerome Corsi Freedom of Information Act Requests

The following are the documents SPP sent in response to the FOIA request submitted by J. Corsi. As you will see, SPP responded with incomplete documents, in no particular order. We have grouped the documents here in a fashion which should make examining them possible. J. Corsi is continuing to request additional FOIA-released documents from SPP.

From: Timothy Hauser
To: Ben.Wu@technology.govj david.conover@hq.doe.govj
jb.penn@usda.govj jeffrey.shane@dot.govj miotkeja@state.govj
randal.quarles@do.treas.govj rvargo@ustr.eop.govj turekianvc@state.govj
wayneea@state.govj william.steiger@hhs.gov
Date: 5/16/05 6:57PM .
Subject: SPP ProgressReport
JFirst of all, thank you for your hard work on the SPP. As you may know,
Secretary Gutierrez met with his Mexican and Canadian counterparts last Friday
to discuss the progress of the SPP WGs and the June 23 report. All three
parties applauded the work of the groups to date, but had a couple of
suggestions.
1) They asked that each WG provide one "signature" or "big picture"
initiative. Something that rises to the level of the Leaders. The following
examples are illustrative, but some ideas discussed were to create a North
American Center for Disease Control by 2007 or create a North American IPR
violation free zone by 2010.
2) They also asked that the WGs review the existing deliverables so that they
are more ambitious. Many of the deliverables continue to be process oriented.
Given the short time to complete the report, we would like your ideas of the
possible big ticket items by noon on Wednesday, which we will give to
Secretary Gutierrez for his review. Secretary Gutierrez will be talking to
his Mexican and Canadian counterparts as early as Friday (time TBD). We will
provide you with additional guidance as we receive it from the Secretary.
We also thought it might be a good idea to discuss these issues in more detail
tomorrow. I've scheduled a phone call at 1:15 tomorrow (call details below) .
If you, as the WG Chair are not able to participate, a designee would be
appreciated.
Many thanks!
DIAL-IN NUMBERS & PASSCODES:
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TollFree Number: 866-507-9515
Participant passcode: 4806244
cc: allen.wiener@ost.dot.govj andrea.lockwood@hq.doe.govj Bastian,
Walterj condoaj@state.govj Greer, Damonj john_melle@ustr.eop.govj
karen.becker@hhs.govj matthewmanrh@state.govj' pmarcham@osophs.dhhs.govj
sorensonra@state.govj sowell.sarah@epa.govj susan.mcdermott@ost.dot.govj
wilbur.monroe@do.treas.govj Word, Geri
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2008, 02:42:39 PM »

See what happens when you Let Democrats have the wheel?

This Nafta thing started with Clinton.

See what happens Larry (Big Lebowski)

Actually, NAFTA was drafted by HW Bush and Clinton saw it thru to completion.  The Dems and The Reps are in this together. 


Thanks for that correction, you are exactly right on.  Smiley
NAFTA actually started with Reagan my mistake on the Clinton remark
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2008, 02:45:39 PM »

Nevertheless, it is a ridiculous idea.

It would give Mexico the opportunity to drag the economy furhter down into the toilet.

We would have to spend assloads of money to bring most of Mexico up to building codes and santiation regulations.

Imagine American and Canadian trucks headed down the Superhighway in Mexico and being hyjacked of shaken down by the corrupt Mexican government.

Yeah we would be one government. It looks great in theory, but seroiusly come on.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2008, 05:01:52 PM »




Trex:  Since you're rightfully concerned for what we, the US taxpayers, will be having to pay for in the future. Check this out!  I found this enlightening little article on this US Government website. 

http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/texts/et040629p4p_initiatives.html

U.S.-Mexico Partnership for Prosperity Launches New Initiatives

Guadalajara, Mexico, June 28, 2004 – Senior U.S. and Mexican officials and corporate executives announced several new initiatives to promote economic development in Mexico during a two-day entrepreneurial workshop. More than 650 U.S. and Mexican entrepreneurs and government officials met in the Mexican city of Guadalajara to discuss North American competitiveness and to explore business opportunities in housing, finance, rural development, information technology and infrastructure.

Major Accomplishments of the U.S. – Mexico Partnership for Prosperity

At the Award Ceremony and Gala on June 28 the United States and Mexico announced the winners of the inaugural Partnership for Prosperity Good Partner Award (GPA). GPA recognizes the role of the private sector in advancing social and economic development in Mexico. This year’s winners were the Mexico division of General Motors, and paint maker Comercial Mexicana de Pinturas (Consorcio COMEX).

USAID, working closely with the Government of Mexico, USDA and its vast partner network of land grant universities, requested proposals for up to six new Mexico-U.S. educational partnerships through the next round of the Training, Internships, Exchanges, and Scholarships (TIES) university partnership program. The new partnerships will focus on rural economic growth.

Last year, an historic agreement was concluded that would enable the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) to offer additional programs to foster investment in Mexico. The Mexican Senate approved the agreement last April. Housing, water, education, and municipal infrastructure have been identified as priority areas.

Through a cooperative effort by Banobras, USAID, and U.S. financial advisory firm Evensen Dodge, the states of Michoacán, Hidalgo, Nuevo León, México, Veracruz, Chihuahua, Morelos, the Federal District, and the cities of Aguascalientes, Cancún, and Tlanepantla, have issued debt certificates to finance key infrastructure needs.

The U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) will continue the development of, and training for, new Small Business Development Centers (SBDC) in Mexico. SBA is also working with NAFIN in the development of a venture capital program, and with Economía in the adaptation of SBA programs to encourage the development and growth of Mexico’s small business enterprises.

Over the past year, the U.S. Trade & Development Agency (USTDA) provided grant and project development funding for 12 priority activities in Mexico, ranging in scope from airport modernization to venture capital industry development, water/waste systems, intelligent transportation networks and housing finance. Through P4P, USTDA continues promoting Mexico’s infrastructure, transportation, and financial service sectors through feasibility studies and technical assistance grants.

The Consejo Nacional de Ciencia y Tecnologia (CONACYT) concluded cooperation agreements with U.S. academic institutions and research centers to grant scholarships to Mexican students, promote faculty interchange, and collaborate in joint research programs.
P4P Builds for the future:

The U.S. and Mexican governments and private sector will exchange ideas and review lessons learned regarding how to effectively access purchasing decision-makers in discussions with some of the largest U.S. and Mexican manufacturers. Experts will highlight the importance to both economies of a competitive North American manufacturing base and outline best quality, technology, cost, financing and marketing practices.

To increase competition in remittance services, private financial institutions have expanded remittance services over the last year and U.S. financial agencies continue their focus on promoting financial literacy to increase access to and awareness of remittance services. For example, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)’s Money Smart program has provided financial training to over 35,000 Mexican immigrants in the United States.

The Bank of Mexico (Banxico) and the U.S. Federal Reserve System commenced one-way operations last year of the TEFI/ Fed Automated Clearing House (ACH) International Mexico Service. This system provides for low-cost government and commercial cross-border payments through improving the financial interconnection of both countries supporting Mexico’s financial infrastructure. The program is expected to be fully operational in 2005, allowing financial institutions to carry out cross-border transactions in both directions.

The P4P identified communications and information technology as vital to North American competitiveness. Discussion at the workshop will target mobile technologies, portal services, enterprise application integration to tie technologies together, and RFID (radio frequency identification) implementation for use in inventory control.
The unique public-private Partnership for Prosperity initiative was launched by U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox in September 2001 to target economic development in the areas of Mexico which generate the most emigrants based on the premise that no Mexican should feel compelled to leave his home for lack of economic opportunity.

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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2008, 07:27:49 PM »

I think the motivation is economic ... to have low-level workers who can come and go at will from Mexico, without being a drain on US services, i.e., they live in Mexico but come to the US to work. And Mexico would shoulder some of the security responsibility. Doesn't sound realistic to me. A guest worker program would be more expensive, but easier to enforce. Regardless, it's not very popular.
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2008, 05:15:17 PM »

I think the motivation is economic ... to have low-level workers who can come and go at will from Mexico, without being a drain on US services, i.e., they live in Mexico but come to the US to work. And Mexico would shoulder some of the security responsibility. Doesn't sound realistic to me. A guest worker program would be more expensive, but easier to enforce. Regardless, it's not very popular.
Sounds like Vicente was taking advantage of the immigration problem in the southwest and cali to benefit his people. Consequently Bush was taking advantage of Vicente in an attept to solve the immigration problem. QUID PRO QUO DOCTOR

The Mexican government encourages its people to come here.

Dragon thanks for the article
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2008, 06:20:30 PM »

Welcome  Smiley Trex
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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2008, 06:57:47 PM »

The only ones to benefit from this North American Union are the Governments, corporations and
Mexican citizens. When Mexicans trade in their pesos for Amero Dollars, they will have more money
than they had with pesos.
The negative side of the NAU for working Americans is they will have to pay  even more taxes for increased healthcare costs, education and incarceration due to a massive influx of Mexicans to the United States.
If you think 15 million Mexicans are a lot of immigrants, there will be more like 35 million moving to
the United States once the North American Union is enacted.
Anyone who opposes this NAU should contact their Congressmen and Senators and pressure them
to act against this unconstitutional act.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce officials, the Council on Foreign Relations are two government
agencies that are supporting the NAU. Also, there are many U.S. Corporations that support this
NAU,  names of corporations will be displayed later.
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2008, 01:35:31 PM »

This will not ever become policy- the American people will not allow it.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2008, 10:02:26 PM »

it's a shame dragonfly was driven off this site. she was a quality poster.  Sad
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