so what is one to do??

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

to date i have posted ad nauseam regarding the failings of all three standing presidential candidates.  at times in private conversation i have expressed the possibility of sitting this election out rather than rubber stamping a grossly flawed candidate!  but the other night mrs bill and bo managed to convince me that i must vote and that vote will be for little mac.  bo and mrs bill refused to state any opposition to the dc ban on guns (dc vs heller), bo claiming to be uninformed and mrs bill stating, that scotus MIGHT find a total ban on guns unconstitutional while giving no indication that she would find such a ban unconstitutional.  in the best light mrs bill and bo might support a limited right to possess single shot rifles!!!!!!  little mac, is a strong and consistent proponent of the second amendment.  he opposes; dc gun ban, assault weapon ban, high capacity magazine ban, ammo restrictions and the confiscation of firearms during declared states of emergency.  he supports; instant record checks and stiff penalties for the illegal possession or use of a firearm.  i confess that i have no idea as to his position regarding the disposition of firearm purchase records.  i would urge all to consider the historical consequences of a people disarmed by their govt!  if this nation yields the fundamental liberty to bear arms and our god given right to self defense, all other liberties will become meaningless because we the people will lack the fundamental ability to defend them.     

[Peter1469]

I maintain that none of the likely candidates give a crap about our constitutional republic.  I see no reason to support the candidate who will be the less evil.  This will only encourage Americans to switch to the Democratic Party when they blame liberal policies on the right.  It will draw out the pain.  If we are going to get liberal policies let the blame lie where it should.  We need to bite the bullet and let the Democrats do their worst in hopes that the American people will wake up and remember that our nation is a constitutional republic and not a social-democratic state. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

you may be right and i have bounced that reasoning about for awhile.  still the most important power of the president (other than commander and chief) is to fill federal judicial vacancies.  bush has done well for the most part on this subject.  the next president will likely place at least two justices on the supreme court.  this is the arena where dems/libs have skirted the will of the people to push a fruit cake agenda.  these are life time appointments that bear consequences well past the tenure of any elected president and will not be correctable in any reasonable time period.  at this point i really don't think that there is a choice other than to vote for little mac.  hopefully they will at least have the decency to hand out cigarettes and blindfolds at the voting booths      

[Peter1469]

Yes, the judicial appointments is the only real reason to pick little Mac. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

peter, i am counting on you to provide the reasoning that leads me to another conclusion.....i throughout my life have believed that the constitution is a beautiful and even inspired document.  it has served this nation well and is the foundation for what another would call "american exceptionalism".  i believe that the second amendment is what protects all others.  our ability as a people to stand in the face of tyranny.  the prospect of such a stand for most is so far away.....and for me usually the same.  listening to two pretenders to the throne give absolutely no defense to what is a fundamental liberty and the foundation to freedom is frightening.  "a people willing to relinquish fundamental liberties and freedoms for perceived benefits of safety are worthy of neither liberty nor freedom"  not an exact quote and many versions float about.

[SDML]

McCain has already lost. A vote for him is pissing in the wind. Given the state of the republican party, your vote doesn't even count as some sort of symbolism (as it does if you were to vote for, say, Ralph Nader, or a Libertarian Party candidate).

While I agree with you on the importance of the 2nd amendment, a vote for McCain has nothing to do with it, and will do little to protect it, since the reality is that he can't be trusted when it comes to what he SAYS his stance is on guns. We already know he is a liar...and that he can be bought (re: Boxing Commission, VN commission, etc.).

Any idea what his actual voting record is?

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

sdml, your head is so far up the ass of ron paul you are oxygen deprived.  this is going to be a very competitive general election.  all three are bad choices but does that mean that you as a voter makes no choice at all??

[SDML]

Yeah...so anyway, answer the question.

Preferably BEFORE you drink a bloody mary.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Yeah...so anyway, answer the question.

Preferably BEFORE you drink a bloody mary.

too late i had my first BLOODY mary hours ago, but will check his voting record tomorrow.  did check his site and the positions i stated are taken from his site.  your not implying that a pol would take positions in opposition to their voting record are you??

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I too resent the current Republican Party but I see Grumpy's point. Shitty deal though...

[conley]

grumpy,

you seriously think that obama and hill would ban single shot rifles? come on, that would never, ever fly. that is idiotic. you are obviously just a paritsan hack who always intended to vote for little mac but just likes to complain about every little thing. just another example of you seeing everything in black and white, in your mind you are either for for kevlar piercing cop killing fully automatic assault rifles or you ban cap guns, nothing in between. i say again that is idiotic.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

grumpy,

you seriously think that obama and hill would ban single shot rifles? come on, that would never, ever fly. that is idiotic. you are obviously just a paritsan hack who always intended to vote for little mac but just likes to complain about every little thing. just another example of you seeing everything in black and white, in your mind you are either for for kevlar piercing cop killing fully automatic assault rifles or you ban cap guns, nothing in between. i say again that is idiotic.

have you been drinking too or are you genuinely an idiot?  i said that in listening to them, that single shot rifles might be the limit of their support for the second amendment.  the dc law makes it illegal to own a handgun and rifles/shotguns must be either disassembled or under lock.  again are you this legitimately uninformed or just a knee jerk pussy boy liberal jackass by nature??  do you have any understanding of the second amendment??  does your interpretation of the second amendment consist solely of dialing 911 and kissing your ass goodbye?  have you read the second amendment or had mommy read it to you?  did she explain it to you??  until you have an informed opinion sit quietly and leave the discussion to adults.

   

[conley]

in the best light mrs bill and bo might support a limited right to possess single shot rifles!!!!!!

edit: what made you decide that six exclamation marks was the right number? why not three, why not seven, why not ten??

congrats on finally wrestling with your conscience enough to decide to vote for lil mac...just another sellout willing to continue the corruption in DC

[Vermouth]

Clinton and Obama have to support gun control while they are vying for the nomination since it is a party issue (kinda like "little Mac" now being pro-tax cuts though he voted against them, because it's a Repub position). I don't know about Clinton (couldn't find anything about the issue on her website) but I don't think Obama really feels strongly about this issue. On his website, it only has something vague, aimed at "hunters": As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he greatly respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns... He also believes that the right is subject to reasonable and commonsense regulation.

Grumpy, if this issue is the most important to you, take a look at third-party candidates before you make up your mind. There may be ones who match your views closer than McCain does. But I would urge you not to base your vote on one issue alone.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

vermouth...BS.  like comm lee another juvenile opinion.  the dc law is an absolute affront to the second amendment.  this is not debatable.  the fact that these two pretenders are unwilling to state the obvious makes both totally unacceptable to me and it should to anyone with respect for the us constitution.  you, comm lee and too many others are willing to treat the constitution as spandex with regard to amendments 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 14, in stark contrast the second amendment is not just restricted in your interpretations but suddenly this and only this amendment is a state right and not an individual right.  absent the second amendment all others are whimsical.  for me i will acquire more guns with greater lethality.  god help the civil servant who comes to confiscate my guns.