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« on: May 23, 2008, 11:27:51 PM »

Ok.  FACTS, people.  Why is it such a horrible drug, and why do we allow the government to spend so much of our tax money on prohibiting and persecuting it?

Here are some "facts" from our government on the NIDA website:


Marijuana is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States. A dry, shredded green/brown mix of flowers, stems, seeds, and leaves of the hemp plant Cannabis sativa, it usually is smoked as a cigarette (joint, nail), or in a pipe (bong). It also is smoked in blunts, which are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and refilled with marijuana, often in combination with another drug  Huh. It might also be mixed in food or brewed as a tea.   Grin As a more concentrated, resinous form it is called hashish and, as a sticky black liquid, hash oil. Marijuana smoke has a pungent and distinctive, usually sweet-and-sour odor. There are countless street terms for marijuana including pot, herb, weed, grass, widow, ganja, and hash, as well as terms derived from trademarked varieties of cannabis, such as Bubble Gum, Northern Lights, Fruity Juice, Afghani #1, and a number of Skunk varieties.

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). The membranes of certain nerve cells in the brain contain protein receptors that bind to THC. Once securely in place, THC kicks off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the high that users experience when they smoke marijuana.

Extent of Use

In 2004, 14.6 million Americans age 12 and older used marijuana at least once in the month prior to being surveyed. About 6,000 people a day in 2004 used marijuana for the first time—2.1 million Americans. Of these, 63.8 percent were under age 18. In the last half of 2003, marijuana was the third most commonly abused drug mentioned in drug-related hospital emergency department (ED) visits in the continental United States, at 12.6 percent, following cocaine (20 percent) and alcohol (48.7 percent)2.

Prevalence of lifetime,* annual, and use within the last 30 days for marijuana remained stable among 10th- and 12th-graders surveyed between 2003 and 2004. However, 8th-graders reported a significant decline in 30-day use and a significant increase in perceived harmfulness of smoking marijuana once or twice and regularly. Trends in disapproval of using marijuana once or twice and occasionally rose among 8th-graders as well, and 10th-graders reported an increase in disapproval of occasional and regular use for the same period.  (Good for them)

Effects on the Brain

Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.

In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Effects on the Heart

One study has indicated that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana. The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana's effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

Effects on the Lungs

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.  Huh (No.  People play hookie to get high.)

Even infrequent abuse can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways. Smoking marijuana possibly increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck Huh. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.  (What if those cancer patients smoke BECAUSE they have cancer, not the other way around?  To date, I have yet to hear of any cancer being linked to marijuana.  Can't say the same for alcohol or tobacco.)

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke (But not nicotine, the most dangerous one). It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do (true), which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff  Cool, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco. (Proof?)

Other Health Effects


Some of marijuana's adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight disease. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients (How much?), the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.

Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior


Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. Depression, anxiety, and personality disturbances have been associated with chronic marijuana use (Associated, because it HELPS ALLEVIATE THESE SYMPTOMS!). Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off (Not so).

Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their nonsmoking peers. A study of 129 college students found that, among those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the 30 days prior to being surveyed, critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired, even after the students had not taken the drug for at least 24 hours. These "heavy" marijuana abusers had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had abused marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.

More recently, the same researchers showed that the ability of a group of long-term heavy marijuana abusers to recall words from a list remained impaired for a week after quitting, but returned to normal within 4 weeks. Thus, some cognitive abilities may be restored in individuals who quit smoking marijuana, even after long-term heavy use. (Where do they find these "test" individuals?  I want to be one!)

Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover. A study among postal workers  Huh found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75-percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use. In another study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health.

Effects of Exposure During Pregnancy

Research has shown that some babies born to women who abused marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development (And...how is that?). During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do. In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive.

Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they abuse the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop abusing the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety (This is true--but not nearly as true as cigarettes, or tobacco). They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug.

Genetic Vulnerability

Scientists have found that whether an individual has positive or negative sensations after smoking marijuana can be influenced by heredity. A 1997 study demonstrated that identical male twins were more likely than nonidentical male twins to report similar responses to marijuana abuse, indicating a genetic basis for their response to the drug. (Identical twins share all of their genes.)

It also was discovered that the twins' shared or family environment before age 18 had no detectable influence on their response to marijuana. Certain environmental factors, however, such as the availability of marijuana, expectations about how the drug would affect them, the influence of friends and social contacts, and other factors that differentiate experiences of identical twins were found to have an important effect.

Treating Marijuana Problems

The latest treatment data indicate that, in 2002, marijuana was the primary drug of abuse in about 15 percent (289,532) of all admissions to treatment facilities in the United States. Marijuana admissions were primarily male (75 percent), White (55 percent), and young (40 percent were in the 15-–19 age range). Those in treatment for primary marijuana abuse had begun use at an early age; 56 percent had abused it by age 14 and 92 percent had abused (there's that word again) it by 18.

One study of adult marijuana abusers found comparable benefits from a 14-session cognitive-behavioral group treatment and a 2-session individual treatment that included motivational interviewing and advice on ways to reduce marijuana use. Participants were mostly men in their early thirties who had smoked marijuana daily for more than 10 years. By increasing patients' awareness of what triggers their marijuana abuse, both treatments sought to help patients devise avoidance strategies. Abuse, dependence symptoms, and psychosocial problems decreased for at least 1 year following both treatments; about 30 percent of the patients were abstinent during the last 3-month followup period.

Another study suggests that giving patients vouchers that they can redeem for goods—such as movie passes, sporting equipment, or vocational training—may further improve outcomes.

Although no medications are currently available for treating marijuana abuse (Drugs to treat drugs?), recent discoveries about the workings of the THC receptors have raised the possibility of eventually developing a medication that will block the intoxicating effects of THC (!!!!!!!!!  Angry !!!!!!!!!!). Such a medication might be used to prevent relapse to marijuana abuse by lessening or eliminating its appeal. (Or to spike the water supply with)
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2008, 01:52:20 AM »

I don’t think the federal government has the right to interfere in such matters. There are only two cases where government and law enforcement intervention would be necessary: the sale of these drugs to minors, and the trafficking of these drugs across the United States/Mexico border.

It would not be wise to sell such drugs in corner gas stations. They should be sold in places meant for adults, like liquor stores or, if you so please, strip clubs.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 06:22:01 AM »

If you can buy beer at a corner gas station why not pot Huh

I'm convinced. The time is now! Legalize pot!
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 06:53:42 AM »

Hello Federalist. You sound a lot like David McGovern.

I don’t think the federal government has the right to interfere in such matters. There are only two cases where government and law enforcement intervention would be necessary: the sale of these drugs to minors, and the trafficking of these drugs across the United States/Mexico border.

It would not be wise to sell such drugs in corner gas stations. They should be sold in places meant for adults, like liquor stores or, if you so please, strip clubs.

Decriminalize marijuana, tax it, and regulate it as best you can. Circumstances where jail time would be necessary might include the sale of marijuana to minors and trafficking across the U.S./Mexico border, but that’s all I can think of at the moment.

Don’t sell the crap in gas stations, either. That’s just plain reckless. Only sell it in places where adults are allowed. Liquor stores and the like.

http://politirant.com/forums/general-discussion/war-on-terror-vs-war-on-drugs/msg19784/#msg19784
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 08:37:59 AM »

Welcome Federalist!
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 08:41:34 AM »

The funny thing about this thread is that I was going to compare marijuana to alcohol and post some facts about alcohol, but the NIDA website redirects me to an entire website with pages and pages of data saying how bad alcohol is for the body and mind.  Comparing that to the over-dramatized snippet above that encompasses EVERYTHING wrong with marijuana, I'd say it's a pretty harmless drug.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 09:32:50 AM »

I don’t think the federal government has the right to interfere in such matters. There are only two cases where government and law enforcement intervention would be necessary: the sale of these drugs to minors, and the trafficking of these drugs across the United States/Mexico border.

Why no the US/Canadian border? Why not at airports from Europe or South America or southeast Asia?

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It would not be wise to sell such drugs in corner gas stations. They should be sold in places meant for adults, like liquor stores or, if you so please, strip clubs.

So tobacco & beer is OK for gas stations, even when presented with the facts?
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 10:52:20 AM »

I don’t think the federal government has the right to interfere in such matters. There are only two cases where government and law enforcement intervention would be necessary: the sale of these drugs to minors, and the trafficking of these drugs across the United States/Mexico border.

Why no the US/Canadian border?

tough to grow the ganja in the snow?  Grin i hear that hydroponics stuff is wack tho

I don’t think the federal government has the right to interfere in such matters. There are only two cases where government and law enforcement intervention would be necessary: the sale of these drugs to minors, and the trafficking of these drugs across the United States/Mexico border.

Why no the US/Canadian border? Why not at airports from Europe or South America or southeast Asia?

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It would not be wise to sell such drugs in corner gas stations. They should be sold in places meant for adults, like liquor stores or, if you so please, strip clubs.

So tobacco & beer is OK for gas stations, even when presented with the facts?

SDML with another great point...i never thought about the irony of selling beer and liquor at gas stations...
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 11:40:42 AM »

Salesclerk says:  "Is that all for you today?"
Customer says:  "No, I need a pack of Marlboros, and a pack of Class A Joints as well"
Salesclerk says:  "We have a new special, buy a 2 packs of Joints, and get half off your 3rd dozen     donuts!"
Customer says:  "Awesome Duuude, I will take it!"




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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 02:03:26 PM »

I hope no one thinks that Westerners just arbitrarily decided that alcohol is an ok drug and pot is not.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 02:10:23 PM »

not random at all...one of the first examples of lobbyists and corporate america getting a law passed...
[edit: ignore this line i was feeling radical  Grin]

paper used to be made of hemp

"The decision of the United States Congress to pass the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act was based on hearings[2], reports[19] and in part on testimony derived from articles in newspapers owned by William Randolph Hearst, who had significant financial interests in the timber industry, which manufactured his newsprint.[20]

Marijuana activist Jack Herer has researched DuPont and in his 1985 book The Emperor Wears No Clothes, Herer concluded Dupont played a large role in the criminalization of cannabis. In 1938, DuPont patented the processes for creating plastics from coal and oil and a new process for creating paper from wood pulp. If hemp would have been largely exploited, Herer believes it would have likely been used to make paper and plastic (nylon) , and may have hurt DuPont’s profits. Andrew Mellon of the Mellon Bank was DuPont's chief financial backer and was also the Secretary of Treasury under the Hoover administration. Mellon appointed Harry J. Anslinger, who later became his nephew-in-law, as the head of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (FBNDD) and the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN), where Anslinger stayed until 1962.[21]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_marijuana_in_the_United_States#DuPont.2C_William_Randolph_Hearst_and_hemp

did you know:

"America's first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law "ordering" all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other "must grow" laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp -- try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements - rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth."
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 02:21:25 PM »

I wasn't being clear. What I was trying to get at is the fact that beer and wine have a very long history among our people and much of the rest of the world. Beer was used as a narcotic but it was also a foodstuff for milennia. Beer, it should be noted, was almost always safe to drink whereas water was not.

The Sumerians devoted approximately 40 percent of their barley harvest to brewing beer and I'm sure the figure is close for other ancient cultures. This wasn't because people were wasted day in and day out but because beer was/is a healthy, nutrient rich beverage.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2008, 02:37:16 PM »

actually mister d...you prolly know about this with all your reading, weren't some native american tribes notorious for being drunk? i bet that led to a lot of losing battles...but i guess that's a discussion for another time
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2008, 02:38:16 PM »

i think hemp has a very long history too, no? i dont know how long people have smoked it.

opium, now there's a drug w/ a history that seems very destructive
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2008, 04:42:14 PM »

actually mister d...you prolly know about this with all your reading, weren't some native american tribes notorious for being drunk? i bet that led to a lot of losing battles...but i guess that's a discussion for another time

Yes, in North America Indian tribes acquired a reputation for drunkenness. Remember, alcohol was unknown in the Americas until European explorers/settlers brought it overseas. It could very wel be that Native Americans are more prone to alcoholism due to their genetic makeup. At any rate, I think much of the alcoholism went hand in hand with despondency as their way of life was altered forever.

i think hemp has a very long history too, no? i dont know how long people have smoked it.

opium, now there's a drug w/ a history that seems very destructive

I don't know much about hemp. I know coca was widely used in the Andes from early times and tobacco was in other parts.

Almost everything I've read about opium's effects on it's users and society has been negative.
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