MARIJUANA

[spunkloaf]

I don't know that much about hemp, either.  I don't pretend to be one of those people who want to legalize marijuana for its hemp "purposes".  I just wanna get high on one of God's beautiful, sparkly green weeds. 

I don't think I'm being selfish, though.  There are plenty of people as well who have terminal illness, who would like to smoke themselves blue in the face and enjoy their last moments on Earth.  Hell.  We won't let them kill themselves, we might as well let them smoke the ganj.  I'm rooting for them, too.

[spunkloaf]

I hope no one thinks that Westerners just arbitrarily decided that alcohol is an ok drug and pot is not.

No, I am purposefully using it as a "That is legal, so why isn't this?" scenario.

But yes, I believe that the Nixon administration over-dramatized the effects of weed when they found out it was actually less harmful than tobacco and alcohol.  They spent so much money on an anti-marijuana campaign, and all that anti-drug advertising--they expected some kind of miracle report to expose to the public which would classify it as the devil's drug.  Instead it came back to describe the plant as almost completely benign when consumed by humans.   

The admin was pretty pissed.  They threw out the expensive and wel-prepared report and continued their anti-marijuana campaign, despite their lack of finding it harmful.

[zakkdeth]

ive really thought about it and no, its not as bad as alcohol. however it really does fuck with your life like anyother drug, its just a personal choice though. People say it makes them relaxed but if they didnt smoke so much they wouldnt be stressed out tryin to get more and shit, just like cigs you only think its calming.

[scarlett]

I have never smoked weed or anything else. Never did drugs. Now I do drink a few glasses of wine a week, but only started a couple of years ago. I believe illegal drugs could be legalized and taxed just like tobacco, alcohol. No more war on drugs. What a joke when they go trapsing around the hills and countryside of this country looking for weed. A waste of tax dollars. Wonder is they also search for white lightening. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

this is of course a silly thread in that the author attempts to argue for the legalization by providing a litany of reasons not to legalize the substance.  further he then refers to more voluminous material delineating all the evils of alcohol.....so i guess the argument is essentially that alcohol is bad, worse than weed so why not legalize weed??  inevitably we come to the conclusion that currently illegal drugs should be broadly legalized, taxed etc etc etc......  first, making an argument against alcohol does not make an argument for marijuana.  second, the deleterious impact of marijuana is likely grossly under estimated due to the limited social exposure/acceptance.  lastly, given the nature of society today, unstable, immature, arrogant and self-absorbed....the wisdom of throwing one's hands up and releasing another intoxicant let alone the spectrum of intoxicants upon society would be imprudent to say the least.

[Vermouth]

That was a real buzzkill, Grumpy.

[conley]

grumpy gets VERY UPSET when you start criticizing  alcohol 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

grumpy gets VERY UPSET when you start criticizing  alcohol 

unstable, immature, arrogant and self-absorbed, the definition of adolescence, the state of our nation and the essence of comm lee.  

[conley]

grumpy gets VERY UPSET when you start criticizing  alcohol 

unstable, immature, arrogant and self-absorbed, the definition of adolescence, the state of our nation and the essence of comm lee.  

 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

grumpy gets VERY UPSET when you start criticizing  alcohol 

unstable, immature, arrogant and self-absorbed, the definition of adolescence, the state of our nation and the essence of comm lee.  

 

[spunkloaf]

Grump, smoke a jay and chill out. 

Of course I compare it to alcohol.  I have the right to, because I consume both.  Together, sometimes. 

MAYBE THE ISSUE SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE STATES, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.  Or do you thoroughly enjoy throwing away your money to fight it on a national level, Grump?

Why should you care?  Why DO you care if it's legal or not, if you do not use it?    Is it purely moral issues, or fear that drives your opinion?

In this case, "the author" does not intend to argue for legalization of marijuana.  Decriminalization is an entirely different term that would better take place.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

this is of course a silly thread in that the author attempts to argue for the legalization by providing a litany of reasons not to legalize the substance.  further he then refers to more voluminous material delineating all the evils of alcohol.....so i guess the argument is essentially that alcohol is bad, worse than weed so why not legalize weed??  inevitably we come to the conclusion that currently illegal drugs should be broadly legalized, taxed etc etc etc......  first, making an argument against alcohol does not make an argument for marijuana.  second, the deleterious impact of marijuana is likely grossly under estimated due to the limited social exposure/acceptance.  lastly, given the nature of society today, unstable, immature, arrogant and self-absorbed....the wisdom of throwing one's hands up and releasing another intoxicant let alone the spectrum of intoxicants upon society would be imprudent to say the least.

Gotta go with Grumpy on two key points: An argument against alcohol is not an argument for marijuana and I too doubt the wisdom of sanctioning yet more intoxicants.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Drug legalization may very well be an option (not always a good one) for small and relatively homogenous welfare states like Netherlands.

I am all ears if someone wants to offer an argument in support of keeping the poor intoxicated and happy. 

[spunkloaf]

I have yet to hear good reason why we are using so much money to prohibit it, and why it is important in the first place.

Believe me, Alcohol is not the only accepted and DEADLY drug than I can compare Marijuana to.   

And the "poor" are not the only ones who use marijuana, D-wang.

Show me statistics backing your points.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I have yet to hear good reason why we are using so much money to prohibit it, and why it is important in the first place.

Believe me, Alcohol is not the only accepted and DEADLY drug than I can compare Marijuana to.   

And the "poor" are not the only ones who use marijuana, D-wang.

Show me statistics backing your points.

What points did I make? It should be obvious that an argument for alcohol is not an argument for marijuana. Secondly, I did not suggest that only the poor use marijuana. Lastly, the USA is a huge and  diverse nation. What works for small, homogenous welfare states will not necessarily work for much larger, heterogenous nations.