Only traitors do not seek victory in Iraq

[BigLebowski]

gunnit you and the left of this country have engaged in baseless smears aimed at destroying the credibility of the commander and chief while at the same time undercutting the morale of our troops in the field.  that is unpatriotic and treasonous.  you and your cohorts are committed to defeat in iraq because in your mind that is defeat for this president.  presidents don't lose wars, nations due.  presidents may suffer the consequences in some historians review but this nation will live with the consequences of the defeat that you embrace. 

Even though you are wrong by definition, I will play this out.    So if Barack Obama is elected and if he decides to start marching the troops out after inauguration.    When you speak up about who wrong you feel that would be, you would be undermining what the commander in chief wants--- you would be coined a traitor by your own stupid definition.   

Do you see the stupidity at all?   

lebo i see stupidity in everything you post.  a wait there it is, criticizing retreat might inhibit the ability to cut and run   you're just another tool in the dem/lib box.

Ahhh, but yet my posting and others on this message board somehow is undermining the troops and the president.   Call me crazy but I am sure they should have other pressing things to do rather than to log in here and read my posts.   

Luckily if McCain is elected, he won't be doing that since he openly admits he does not know how to use a computer.     


Next thing you know, if I don't support ARMY when they come into town to play football, that will someway undermine the president and the troops.     

FOR THE LAST TIME BY DEFINITION IN ORDER TO BE A TRAITOR, YOU MUST COMMIT TREASON.   

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

From the conservative standpoint, anyone who doesn't blindly follow the dictates of dear leader *IS* a traitor.

[conley]

From the conservative standpoint, anyone who doesn't blindly follow the dictates of dear leader *IS* a traitor.

why though? bush is clearly not a conservative, and these people were all for impeaching clinton over a bj. i just dont get it.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

no, people such as you and lebo, who act to undermine our ability to win this war are committing treason and are traitors by definition.  the fact that no one pays attention to you is in line with the old if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it does it make a sound.  regardless your rhetoric is the echo of dems/libs, many who sit in positions of authority and use swill such as you to damage this nation. 

[conley]

no, people such as you and lebo, who act to undermine our ability to win this war are committing treason and are traitors by definition.  the fact that no one pays attention to you is in line with the old if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it does it make a sound.  regardless your rhetoric is the echo of dems/libs, many who sit in positions of authority and use swill such as you to damage this nation. 

how the heck am i or anyone on this board undermining our ability to win this war??

by the way the sound of all the anti-war trees falling down around you is DEAFENING. perhaps you need to get your hearing checked or turn down fox news on your tv 

[BigLebowski]

no, people such as you and lebo, who act to undermine our ability to win this war are committing treason and are traitors by definition.  the fact that no one pays attention to you is in line with the old if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it does it make a sound.  regardless your rhetoric is the echo of dems/libs, many who sit in positions of authority and use swill such as you to damage this nation. 

I love how because I am sick and tired of seeing our young americans die, I am the one that is against the troops.   Now that is what is called "fuzzy logic"   

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

this is a fight from which we cannot run children.  the dems/libs of this nation have done everything in their power to make this fight unwinable, deny the success of the surge and now choose defeat when victory is clearly at hand.  this rhetoric has emboldened our enemies and attacks the morale of our troops.  you (gunnit, commee, lebo) are just the mindless echo of the murthas, shumers, pelosis, clintons, obamas etc of the world.  commee, as the surge has taken effect and iraq has become obviously winnable, the attitudes of voters are shifting.  lebo, we are there, deal with that reality and support winning this engagement by demanding that we win this engagement.  all of you, the men serving in iraq are soldiers, do not treat them as victims.  this is war and men will die. 

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

Dems/libs have done nothing to interfere with anything dear leader wanted. Hell I'm pissed at congress for giving in to his every whim after they took control of congress last year.

Dear leader has gotten everything he's wanted when it comes to Iraq .... and they have FUCKED IT UP ROYALLY!

At some point the Iraqis have to start controlling their own destiny. The majority of Iraqis don't want us there. The majority of Americans don't want our troops there. Hell in the recent German interview where Maliki supported Obama's time frame .... ooops excuse me .... tiiiiiiime horizon ... for troop withdraw there was this statement which most of the news media has ignored:

Maliki was asked what has calmed the violence in Iraq and responded as follows:  "There are many factors, but I see them in the following order. First, there is the political rapprochement we have managed to achieve in central Iraq. This has enabled us, above all, to pull the plug on al-Qaida. Second, there is the progress being made by our security forces. Third, there is the deep sense of abhorrence with which the population has reacted to the atrocities of al-Qaida and the militias. Finally, of course, there is the economic recovery."

Notice:  No credit to or thanks for the efforts and sacrifices of the United States and our armed forces, much less the surge.  In fact, Maliki's major observation about American troops, other than that he wants them out of Iraq "as soon as possible," is that he wants the power to prosecute them for "offences or crimes committed by US soldiers against our population" — a major sticking point in negotiations over a status of forces agreement.   

 

[bored]

The problem isn't whether or not you agree with the war or any aspect of it as much as it is the impression that ppl want to see bush not only fall on his face, but also break his neck in the process.

It's all a matter of association really. By 2004 the left had successfully convinced the world that bush is a stupid idiot. No longer arguable. Pure fact. Screaming it 1000s of times without objection will do that.

On the other hand, screaming objection torward the war has associated the left with undermining it because it's the same crowd who just convinced the world that bush is an idiot.

Bush=bad, iraq=bad

Hence, behaving unpatriotically and unamerican-like is a generalization that the right uses to point this out since there is no indication to suspect ppl who bash bush daily can be honest when discussing issues pertaining to the war.

[conley]

bush had a hand in making himself look like a buffoon. it wasnt a vast left wing conspiracy, and he certainly had the support of EVERYONE post 9/11 and for a good time after that

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

So Gunit would deny that the surge had any effect because an Iraqi nationalist lamely implies as much?

[bored]

He did for sure, but he had the help of the left and the movement really took off with moore's movie. I think he tried to be a regular joe rather than some politician and was bad at it. He certainly did nothing to fight the accusations against him. Which I think is pretty stupid

[conley]

i think the single biggest factor is his obvious (and late onset) difficulty in public speaking. it's very strange and i haven't heard a good explanation for it.

[Peter1469]

i think the single biggest factor is his obvious (and late onset) difficulty in public speaking. it's very strange and i haven't heard a good explanation for it.

It isn’t public speaking in general.  I have first hand reports from credible friends (include those who do not like Shrub) that he is very good in small informal settings.  He falls apart in large events. 

[conley]

i think the single biggest factor is his obvious (and late onset) difficulty in public speaking. it's very strange and i haven't heard a good explanation for it.

It isn’t public speaking in general.  I have first hand reports from credible friends (include those who do not like Shrub) that he is very good in small informal settings.  He falls apart in large events. 

he used to be able to speak fine in large groups. i think it is the residual effect of the booze and the coke.