Poland rejects Homo agenda

[SDML]

Why is it when David Henry shows up spouting hate-filled anti-semitic crap - you know, "jews" and the "jew agenda" - everyone is up in arms, but then blithely engages in talk of "fags" and the "homo agenda".

What the fuck?

what the fuck?  the libertarian is not so classically liberal??  think whatever, do whatever but don't speak it??

Clearly you missed my other posts. You can speak anything you please. To wit: "I am not telling you what words you can use, I am calling you out as a bigot. You don't like (me using the word) "fuck", you are free to call me out as a threat to the higher use of language."

 

is there a difference if even by degrees in language that is provocative, derogatory, insulting, "hate-filled" and violence promoting??

Yes.

 

regardless do you at least not recognize the employment of education at all levels to deliver a liberal agenda, the acceptance of homosexuality being part of that agenda?  by the way, why were you so eager to engage david henry, attempting to elevate the hatred of jews to some lofty esoteric discussion??  again, for me this thread is simply about the appropriateness of discussing/teaching homosexuality in public schools!   

I attempted to engage both David Henry & Jennifer whatshername in discussion (not one I'd consider "lofty", however, or "esoteric") because their core beliefs of individual sovereignty didn't jibe with what appeared to be racist or religionist rhetoric. I was attempting to understand anti-semitism directly from someone who is anti-semitic for the simple reason that it makes no sense to me. I can discuss it with YOU all day long and I doubt either of us will gather a significantly deeper understanding of someone else's bigotry from it.

No, I do not recognize the "employment of education at all levels to deliver a liberal agenda, the acceptance of homosexuality being part of that agenda" as a singular incident. I see liberals attempting to hijack education (mostly to deliver socialist concepts) just as I see conservatives and religionists trying to hijack education (especially with regard to replacing science with creationism). You, however, seem blind to one (or worse, in defense) but not the other.

[spunkloaf]

Instead of "fuck" should I use "thrust"?  Does it not imply the same image in your head?  Actually to me, thrust is much worse, lol.

[wow]

SDML,

Terms like "homo" and "fag" are clearly derogatory, no matter who wow or anyone else wishes to spin them.
Have you ever thought about why a few letters should offend you?
These words are derogatory by "your" choice, why?
I'm interested in your response.

No, these words are not derogatory by my choice, any more than I decided alone that words like "nigger", "kike", "wetback", or "chink" are derogatory. "Fag" and "homo" are derogatory terms, not value-neutral terms. You are as free to use them as David Henry is to use his list of slurs, and as I am to use the word "fuck".

I am not telling you what words you can use, I am calling you out as a bigot. You don't like "fuck", you are free to call me out as a threat to the higher use of language.

I guess I am a bigot, because I will NEVER accept Homo anal sex as being normal.
You can do nothing to change the chemicals in my brain. 

[spunkloaf]

Well, then you should stop assuming that you can do the same to others.  Let people be who they are, and leave them the fuck alone.


Damn, I surpassed my 666 goal.  Well, here it is dedicated to you anyways, wow.  Happy 666.

Obama '08!

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

sdml, spunk i am not defending wow's use of terms such as fag or homo.  clearly they are derogatory and provocative, but as for hate speech that is a little over the top.  it seems to me that again the issue is the appropriateness of teaching/discussing homosexuality in public schools and i still have seen no argument as to why this is necessary or even desirable.  further by acknowledging "liberals attempting to hijack education mostly to deliver socialist concepts", are you conceding the debate?  in short you are choosing to get your panties in a wad to dodge the issue.  sdml, who are you calling a bigot and is that not hateful of you?  are you calling yourself out as an anti-semite or would you attend a cross burning to further your understanding of the kkk?  spunk, just curious do you believe that the experience of homosexuals (can i say homosexual) in this country is comparable to blacks or the history of jews/anti-semitism world wide?

[spunkloaf]

Grump, I've already stated that special interests should be separate from public education.  But I still think there are gay kids in this country who need serious counseling so that they can live productive and happy lives, and not end up killing themselves...or others.

As far as the suggested homosexual education in schools being a socialist phenomenon or part of a homosexual agenda, I don't get that.  It's simply an attempt to help kids who have sexuality issues.  Nothing more.  However, after considering that no other special interest groups have a place in public education, I concede that it would be unfair to have a class based on homosexuality.  But you cannot ban the discussion from schools altogether.  If students have questions about things, including homosexuality, they should be answered fairly and truthfully.

Wow, your brain chemistry is hardly chemistry at all.  More like tumor.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

look simple one, if i called you a jackass i'd be elevating you and insulting the jackass.  if you have a problem with your sexuality walk down stairs and discuss it with mommy and daddy, if still not satisfied, skip on down the yellow brick road and find yourself some really really "serious counseling"   the fundamental job of schools is supposed to be the delivery of academics not sorting out your personality disorder(s).  as for your not getting it... who would that surprise and when have you gotten anything?   don't answer sweetie you obviously have enough to work on as it is...    

[spunkloaf]

All that anger just because I said I don't see that there's a "homo" or "left" agenda?  Now who's stirring conspiracy?

In case you thought I was talking to you about that brain chemistry thing, I was referring to wow.

If your anger persists, then fuck you turkey nuts!  This is where I stand!

I already said special interests should stay out of public education, what more do you want?

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

spunk your a clown on your best day and it matters not who you were addressing.  on the one hand special interest groups should stay out of public schools, but on the other we really need to address homosexuality in school because kids are depressed and in need of serious counseling from their guidance counselor   all i ask is that if the poor depressed kid jumps off a building he/she not land on my car.

[spunkloaf]

Sounds very Christian-like.  I'll put a notice out for all depressed suicidal people to aim directly at your car.  It will be hit and miss, but at least one is bound to end up as part of your paint job.  I hope you have a depressed suicidal maniac clause on your car insurance policy.

I don't like clowns.  They taste funny.

[SDML]

sdml, spunk i am not defending wow's use of terms such as fag or homo.  clearly they are derogatory and provocative, but as for hate speech that is a little over the top.

I don't even know how the world is defining "hate speech" and I didn't say anything about that. I simply said it was language was hate-filled, and it is.

 

it seems to me that again the issue is the appropriateness of teaching/discussing homosexuality in public schools and i still have seen no argument as to why this is necessary or even desirable.  further by acknowledging "liberals attempting to hijack education mostly to deliver socialist concepts", are you conceding the debate?

How would that be conceding the debate, just because YOU see that (teaching/discussing homosexuality in public schools) as the issue. You seem to have forgotten the title of this little shin-dig is "Poland rejects Homo Agenda" and among wow's opening remarks was "I was thinking the thought police were forcing Homo anal sex religious beliefs on innocent child victims", which is just ignorant.

 

in short you are choosing to get your panties in a wad to dodge the issue.

No, but you are clearly building straw men in an attempt tp "win" an argument. I was pissed about two things, and I spoke to those issues. To remind you:

With regard to hate-filled speech, I said:

"...The primary issue is that all manner of  divisive hate-based "isms" (racism, for example, or any other manner of group-based discrimination) are fueled by the sort of speech you shamelessly use in this and other thread: "fag", "homo". This is the same sort of shit spewed by David Henry and you should be ashamed of yourself...." as well as "...Terms like "homo" and "fag" are clearly derogatory, no matter who wow or anyone else wishes to spin them....".

With regard to agendas, I said:

"...The second issue is the stupid idea that everyone who is gay - not to mention black or jewish or whatever - has a singular unified agenda that they are trying to covertly inject into the cultural mainstream...." as well as "...There is no "homo agenda", any more than there is a "nigger agenda" or a "jew agenda" or a "hippy agenda" or a "wetback agenda" or any other such silliness. The idea of all the homosexuals in the US coming to ANY solid consensus and then attempting to promote a unified agenda is fucking ridiculous...".

Crystal clear, and no dodge in sight.

I note, however, you dodged my statement: Regarding your statement about the normality of homosexuality: Perhaps you'd care to define "normal" for us all so we can avoid the "is so" "is not" brand of discussion.

That said, given the history of homosexuality as a mode of sexual expression in human history in ALL cultures worldwide for ALL of written history, and given the same for many in the animal kingdom - including bonobos (the closest relative to humans) and other primates - you'd be hard-pressed to make any rational argument that homosexuality is in any way abnormal or un-natural.


 

sdml, who are you calling a bigot and is that not hateful of you?  are you calling yourself out as an anti-semite or would you attend a cross burning to further your understanding of the kkk?

Is that a joke? I called wow out as bigoted and no, that is not hateful. What on earth would make you think I'm anti-semitic and what would make you ask such a silly question about cross-burnings? If this is in response to my attempting to have a conversation with a racist (DH), then you're being a tad silly...and you know it.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

to restate AGAIN, for me the discussion was whether or not homosexuality is an appropriate topic for discussion in school!  whether here or there the left use education to deliver an liberal agenda. which includes embracing homosexuality.  comparing anything in this discussion to dh is a dodge.  in response to you latest post let me begin by complimenting you on your clintonian nuance.  the language was hate filled but i never said it was hate speech...and point out to you that i have already spoke to normalcy.  i can hardly wait for you to publish your findings regarding the history of homosexuality.  will that be followed by a biography?

[SDML]

Ad hominems and dodges. Cute.

The left (inasmuch as there is a truly organized "left") may well be attempting to socially engineer a world where we accept homosexuality along with higher taxes and an entitlement mentality, and I'm confident would love to do that by having this taught in schools.

The right (inasmuch as there is a truly organized "right") may well be attempting to socially engineer a world where we accept "creation science" while rejecting real science and homosexuality along with higher debt (instead of higher taxes) and an entitlement mentality, and I'm confident would love to do that by having this taught in schools.

I don't dodge and I didn't dodge - you just selectively read and build straw men. But you still dodge with regard to normalcy. You didn't speak to it other than to say "it isn't". I look forward to hearing you refute science & history with "no, No, NO!", but would look more forward to it if you actually presented a cogent argument.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

if i'm the straw man does that make you the wicked witch

[wow]

SDML,

dml, spunk i am not defending wow's use of terms such as fag or homo.  clearly they are derogatory and provocative, but as for hate speech that is a little over the top.

I don't even know how the world is defining "hate speech" and I didn't say anything about that. I simply said it was language was hate-filled, and it is.
I think you have created the perfect example of trying to restrict free speech to prevent a person from questioning the agenda of Homos.
Homos have picked a fight with Christians, Jewish, Heteros, American culture and traditions.
When Homos get what they have asked for, they cry it's hate speech and it's unfair. Hahahaha
Homos want the Federal Govt. to make laws to prevent Americans from standing up to their perverted agenda.