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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2008, 02:04:29 PM » |
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The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2008, 02:13:21 PM » |
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How can we remove religion from our society and remain a democracy? Totalitarian societies like the Soviet Union and China have not been able to stomp out religion.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2008, 09:51:43 PM » |
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Well, guess the court agreed with me.  Texas commited a dispicible injustice on these people. Hope they sue the shit out of the state. texas rangers in there taking children at gunpoint like a pack of commies. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2008, 12:36:46 AM » |
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I do think there will be a huge lawsuit over this. As there should be. To all who think that these crazy Mormons don’t deserve kids, just think of others thinking that you are weird and then decide whether you want government agents taking these children away from their parents. This is a small slice of 1938 Germany.
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2008, 10:04:35 AM » |
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"Free will" is an illusion... nothing in this life is free
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 11:59:41 AM » |
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"Free will" is an illusion... nothing in this life is free
I would opine that free will has nothing to do with the phrase “nothing in life is free.” Free will is the idea that no supreme being mandates certain behavior. People are free to choose their own path. Of course each choice has costs and benefits. Choices are in effect a cost-benefit trade-off.
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2008, 01:37:52 PM » |
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"Free will" is an illusion... nothing in this life is free
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2008, 05:29:15 PM » |
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This is on the same line as when the US separated Asian American families and placed them in camps during the second war. Guess we havent changed that much. Wonder why we didn't treat those of german decent the same?
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2008, 05:41:21 PM » |
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This is on the same line as when the US separated Asian American families and placed them in camps during the second war. Guess we havent changed that much. Wonder why we didn't treat those of german decent the same?
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2008, 06:48:39 PM » |
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Not the same but similar in the fact that their rights were violated just as the Japanese rights were then. And that was a dispicible thing. These children, many babies, were taken from their mothers with absolutly no right.
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2008, 08:24:29 PM » |
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No man has the right to rape and impregnate teenage girls. It was the right decision to raid that compound. That lifestyle is not normal and should not be accepted by the people of this nation. Something has to be done, and that compound raid was the first step to a national crackdown.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2008, 08:53:24 PM » |
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They had no right to take babies from their twenty something year old mothers arms at gunpoint with absolutly no credible evidence that there was a crime being commited. Now they must scramble to come up with something. YES, This matter should have been investigated but not by going apeship like they did. How would you like it if some unknown person with no credible evidence to support it accused you of abuse of a child and you were taken from your home? How would you like that? And don't say it would be alright cause you'd just be lying.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2008, 09:38:33 PM » |
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I agree with the split personality that is scarlettpitty.  There is no reason to charge in and attack the situation without due and proper process. It's not like those people are likely to skip the country if they find out that what they are doing is being questioned. In this quick-to-persecute kind of country, law enforcement officials are getting more and more involved with people's personal lives. I am a direct "victim" of those sorts, as my house was raided by police--twice--on basis of traffic in our driveway (5 people lived there, mind you). Nobody was arrested, nobody got tickets for anything more than a petty misdemeanor (a pair of nunchucks  , small amount marijuana).
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2008, 09:40:30 PM » |
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I agree with the split personality that is scarlettpitty.  There is no reason to charge in and attack the situation without due and proper process. It's not like those people are likely to skip the country if they find out that what they are doing is being questioned. In this quick-to-persecute kind of country, law enforcement officials are getting more and more involved with people's personal lives. I am a direct "victim" of those sorts, as my house was raided by police--twice--on basis of traffic in our driveway (5 people lived there, mind you). Nobody was arrested, nobody got tickets for anything more than a petty misdemeanor (a pair of nunchucks  , small amount marijuana). Nunchucks and marijuana… Can I move to your place? 
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2008, 09:51:05 PM » |
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Couldn't if I were still living there anyways, we had a problem with people over-staying their welcome.  The nun chucks were actually a pair of butter knives taped together on a chain that my roommate's little brother made for her for Christmas. Cops seized it as a dangerous weapon, and my room mate had to fight to get the charge dropped so she could get her RN license.  The weed was mine.  The first time. Second time, I didn't get any charges. Pig fuckers. They broke my $350 digital camera when they tried to extract pictures from it as evidence. --Pictures of my cousin's wedding, to boot. All cops should be subject to get slapped by a taxpayer at least once per month, and should have their noses rubbed in pig shit as an annual community tradition. No offense, former officer Pittyscarlett. 
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