the West and Islam

[Peter1469]

Here is an interesting article on the problems that the West has in dealing with extreme Islam.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_cultural_jihadists.html

From the end, although I suggest starting from the beginning:
The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled. As for Muslims living in the West, surveys suggest that many of them, though not actively involved in jihad, are prepared to look on passively—and some, approvingly—while their coreligionists drag the Western world into the House of Submission.   

[wow]

Here is an interesting article on the problems that the West has in dealing with extreme Islam.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_cultural_jihadists.html

From the end, although I suggest starting from the beginning:
The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled. As for Muslims living in the West, surveys suggest that many of them, though not actively involved in jihad, are prepared to look on passively—and some, approvingly—while their coreligionists drag the Western world into the House of Submission.   

I'm not worried about any of this stuff.
We can always deport all known Arabs and Muslims, then prevent entry to the rest of them in the world.

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

You can't do that ... in case you haven't noticed THEY HAVE THE OIL.

If we start preventing them from coming into the country ... then they have plenty of other markets to sell their oil to and leave us holding the proverbial bag.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

You can't do that ... in case you haven't noticed THEY HAVE THE OIL.

If we start preventing them from coming into the country ... then they have plenty of other markets to sell their oil to and leave us holding the proverbial bag.

Sure we can and easily.

[wow]

You can't do that ... in case you haven't noticed THEY HAVE THE OIL.

If we start preventing them from coming into the country ... then they have plenty of other markets to sell their oil to and leave us holding the proverbial bag.

You make a good case for the invasion of Iraq. 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

You can't do that ... in case you haven't noticed THEY HAVE THE OIL.

If we start preventing them from coming into the country ... then they have plenty of other markets to sell their oil to and leave us holding the proverbial bag.

You make a good case for the invasion of Iraq. 

  I was thinking the same thing

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I posted this a while back on Free Speech.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467843706&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter


Young British Muslims are more likely than their elders to support Shari'a law and admire al-Qaida, but three-fifths of 16-to 24-year-olds say they have as much in common with non-Muslims as with Muslims, according to an opinion poll published on Monday.

The survey, entitled "Living Together Apart: British Muslims and the Paradox of Multiculturalism" and carried out by UK think tank Policy Exchange, found evidence that young Muslims held more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than those over age 55.


Women's rights key to fighting Islamic extremism, conservative group insists
Forty percent of Muslims between aged 16 to 24 said they would prefer to live under Shari'a law in the UK, compared to only 17% of those over 55. Thirty-six percent of the younger group said a Muslim who converted to another religion should be "punished by death," while only 19 percent of the older group agreed.

Thirteen percent of young Muslims surveyed said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida and others who were prepared to "fight the West."

There was also strong support for wearing the veil in public, 74% of 16-to-24-year-olds compared with only 28% of over-55s, and Islamic schools, 19% of over-55s, increasing to 37% among 16-to-24-year-olds.

Pollsters questioned 1,003 Muslims, weighted to represent the population across the UK, using Internet and telephone questionnaires.

Despite concerns about Islamophobia, the great majority of Muslims - 84 percent - said they have been treated fairly by British society and feel they have as much, if not more, in common with non-Muslims in Britain than with Muslims abroad. The survey concluded that British authorities and some Muslim groups have exaggerated the problem of Islamophobia and fueled a sense of victimization among some Muslims.

Foreign policy was shown to be a key issue for British Muslims, with 58% of respondents saying many of the world's problems were "a result of arrogant Western attitudes."

Their knowledge of foreign affairs was sketchy, with only one in five knowing that Mahmoud Abbas was head of the Palestinian Authority.

Munira Mirza, the leading author of the report, said the results suggested UK government policy was to blame for sharpening divisions between Muslims and non-Muslims and suggested the government should engage Muslims as citizens, not through their religious identity.

She said, "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multicultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasized difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.

"There is clearly a conflict within British Islam between a moderate majority that accepts the norms of Western democracy and a growing minority that does not," she added.

Shahid Malik, a Labor member of Parliament who is a Muslim, said, "This report makes very disturbing reading and it vindicates the concern many of us have that we're not doing enough to confront this issue.

"For years, I have argued that the [far right] British National Party is a white phenomenon which it is up to the white community to address.

Well, extremism exists in the name of Islam, and that's something the Muslim community has to take leadership on. It's my view that the mainstream umbrella Muslim organizations have not risen to the challenge and don't accept the depth of the problem that's facing them."

Bangladesh-born Baroness Uddin, the only female Muslim member of the House of Lords, said she agreed that British foreign policy had aggravated Muslim grievances but added that the poll did not reflect her experiences of the views of most members of the community.

"Unlike their parents, our young people feel that this is their country and are saying, 'Why are we being told we do not belong here?' There is also a problem of a lack of opportunities. Some people have been brutalized by their experiences with the police and this war on terror," she said.

Poll results for the 16-24 age group, with 209 respondents, had a margin of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points, and for the group of 55 people aged 60 and over the margin was plus or minus 10 percentage points. For the entire sample, the margin of error would be plus or minus 3 percentage points.

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

Wait a minute ... even though I frequently slip-up, I immediately apologize and correct myself. The invasion of Iraq was all about national security ... not oil. Just ask Haji grumpee.

Invading a country to seize their natural resources is a war crime ... oh shit .. sorry I forgot ... laws don't apply to republicans.

[Peter1469]

Wait a minute ... even though I frequently slip-up, I immediately apologize and correct myself. The invasion of Iraq was all about national security ... not oil. Just ask Haji grumpee.

Invading a country to seize their natural resources is a war crime ... oh shit .. sorry I forgot ... laws don't apply to republicans.

Oil is a strategic resource.  Wars are fought over strategic resources.  Wait until the food wars and (fresh) water wars start.   

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Wait a minute ... even though I frequently slip-up, I immediately apologize and correct myself. The invasion of Iraq was all about national security ... not oil. Just ask Haji grumpee.

Invading a country to seize their natural resources is a war crime ... oh shit .. sorry I forgot ... laws don't apply to republicans.

this comes from a guy who drove to work and likely sits in a well lit, environmentally controlled office and truly believes the energy fairies provide it all....

Here is an interesting article on the problems that the West has in dealing with extreme Islam.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_cultural_jihadists.html

From the end, although I suggest starting from the beginning:
The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled. As for Muslims living in the West, surveys suggest that many of them, though not actively involved in jihad, are prepared to look on passively—and some, approvingly—while their coreligionists drag the Western world into the House of Submission.   

this is you baghdad, the only question for you is what language do you surrender in...

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

Klingon -- Bok-Choy mofo