What do you stand for?

[trex]

1. Family - Love, respect and do right by your family.......it is a LIFELONG COMMITMENT (nonindividualistic)

Examples to the contrary: Dissapointing your family by being a diaapointment then blaming your family for it.
                                      Blaming society for your lot in life\

2. Love your country: if you dont love it get the f*#k out....remember that love it or leave it.  Both Democrats and Republicans

3.  Don't let foreigner talk s*#t about your country and get away with it.  Dont ever let them make you feel bad for being American. Say lets talk about your country now.

4. your job.  whatever you do for living be the best at it as you can.  To many people think they are above what they do for a living. My sister in law is a whoring crackhead that thinks shes too good for McDonalds! Shes not even good at being a prostitute becasue she gets robbed all the time.  She needs a little remindin sometimes that she is a whore.  Thats about as low as you can go...huh....maybe not for those who think its a victimless crime.

5.  Raise your kids....be there and support them, talk to them, set expectations for them and hold them to it as best you can.  Dont settle for mediocrity. If they chose to be losers then they do it on thier own.

6. Forgive those who need forgiven....but most importantly those who sincerely want to be forgiven.  Forget those people who alway apologize and then do whatever they wish anyway and then blame you when it doesnt go well.

[Vermouth]

Good list, Trex.

No 1 - I agree ... blame becomes no one.

No 2 - I agree, but loving your country doesn't mean refraining from critique. Moving away instead of working to make it better is a cop out.

No 3 - Absolutely! Defend America to outsiders. Don't air your dirty laundry.

No 4 - If you're a prostitute, be the best prostitute you can be.
Respect the contract you have with your employer. If you're "too good" for your job, get a better one.

No 5 - Don't have kids if you're not willing to do this.

No 6 - Don't know about this. I lack the capacity to judge who needs to be forgiven.

[pittypat65]

I agree with all of this. Many people overuse "I'm sorry". Yes forgive them but don't allow them to use and abuse you. Just because one says they are sorry dos not make it so. And parents should stop trying to turn little boys into little girls.

[spunkloaf]

1. Family - Love, respect and do right by your family.......it is a LIFELONG COMMITMENT (nonindividualistic)

Examples to the contrary: Dissapointing your family by being a diaapointment then blaming your family for it.
                                      Blaming society for your lot in life\

I have a very different view of family.  I don't think that I need to impress anybody.  They love me for who I am, and I love them just the same.

What you say kind of scares me.  It suggests that maybe the family could disown a family member because of their disappointment.  I hope I'm just being paranoid, and that's not what you are saying.

But yes.  I love my family and I would ALWAYS be there for them.  I hope they would for me as well.


I don't blame society for my lot in life.  I blame myself for not being as greedy and self righteous as the bastards at the top of society.

[trex]

Some people take a naturalistic view on raising children.  In nature the animal parents teach their young to survive in the wild. Hunting, shelter, migratory patterns, and the other instinctual stuff. 

Why are humans any different when it comes to teaching survival skills.  Just an example of the wild, dont go crazy spunk, but when one dog in the wild compromises the safety or survival of the pack, the pack kills it!

I am not saying to go to that extreme obviously. I am saying that parents are models and teachers of what is appropriate behavior.  Parents set expectations of survival and contribution to the family unit and society.  People used to have children to have more hands on the farm, not so they could express themselves. CHILDREN HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE FAMILY FIRST AND SELF NEXT.

My son is 6 months old...and I have expectations.  That he will sleep enough and eat enough to survive. He has expectations of me that I WILL LOVE HIM and care for him.  Those expectations will change over time.  He will be forced to adapt to society and behave according to the morals and behaviors that I set forth.  I will allow him to explore and find himself, however their will be boundaries and expectations as far self reliance is concerned.

I have conservative values from my grandftaher who was a great man. Not always the best father...no one on earth is perfect. But a man who honored his mother and took care of her when my sorry assed great grandfather walked away.  Provided for a wife and 3 kids and left my grandmother more than enough to survive on. 

I used to be a punkassed loudmouth assbag who direspected my mother until I was about 16. Then there was a day where my grandfather came to our house and proceeded to tell me that If I did not UNF*#K myself he would glad to do it for me...from that point forward I knew what expectations were upon me...I was permitted to go my own direction but I was expected to have the ability to pay my own way.

That I beleive what is missing from todays world. To many people are not good examples of proper behavior.  People neglect their responsibilities and blame others for thier situation.  Too many people with their hands out.  My grandfather had a great deal of money through good investments, but we were NEVER allowed to ask for anything and if we did we were made to feel like "What are you doing RIGHT NOW to improve your situation and PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE?" There was no consoling only stern advise and a warnign of what the future will bring. 

The world owes me nothing...I owe my world whatever I have been put on this earth to do..  Which is exactly what i am doing.

[spunkloaf]

Well, here's a shocking revelation for you, that maybe you might realize that you are not alone--

  I WAS A FUCK HEAD UNTIL I REACHED ABOUT 17 TOO

trex, we all have our humanism.  We grow.  We learn.  We love.  We need society (in social values, not aesthetic).

These needs DRIVE who we are going to be by how much they are balanced and satisfied.

You didn't necessarily need your grandfather to tell you to "unfuck" yourself.  You would have come to that conclusion sooner or later when your hormones settled.  It's something EVERYBODY goes through.

Kids rebel against their parents when they reach that age.  It is a part of our nature.  It does not mean we are going to be that way for the rest of our lives.  You say as though your grandfather saved you from an eternity of rambunctiousness and disrespect for society.  He did not.  You did it yourself, and your grandfather only inspired you to do it sooner.



I think you have too strict of an expectation for your 6 month old son right now.  I think moreover, you should hope that he does these things in order to stay alive and therefore be thankful to whomever you choose to thank that he does.  And help him to do it.  And love him for it.  He will love you back and take appreciation for your way of life, and follow it because you are his father.  Congratulations!

**Notice I did not change anything about your stories physically, instead I offered a different way of looking at it.

We are all links in the chain, and of course we must do our part to keep that chain strong.

But, as opposed to your view of enforcing, I have a view of trusting.

[trex]

My grandfather did not sit back and trust that I would unf*$k myself. He definitely had a hand in my decision. He DID NOT tell me it was natural...he told me he was going to naturally kick my ass.

I have a sister in law who is an addict and has been wreaking havoc on the family for 16 years...tell me....is it my station to put up with her garbage and love her for the rest of my life.......

OR 

Do I tell her to go F*#K herself. By the way I am raising her children for which she has absolutely NO APPRECIATION for.  So do I just deal with?

I say no ..... I say SHE DEALS with.  Thats why she DOES NOT F*#K with me.  Because I do take any of her BS because she knows I can see right through it.

Either you are doing OR YOU ARE NOT......there is NO IN BETWEEN

[spunkloaf]

My grandfather did not sit back and trust that I would unf*$k myself. He definitely had a hand in my decision. He DID NOT tell me it was natural...he told me he was going to naturally kick my ass.

I have a sister in law who is an addict and has been wreaking havoc on the family for 16 years...tell me....is it my station to put up with her garbage and love her for the rest of my life.......

OR 

Do I tell her to go F*#K herself. By the way I am raising her children for which she has absolutely NO APPRECIATION for.  So do I just deal with?

I say no ..... I say SHE DEALS with.  Thats why she DOES NOT F*#K with me.  Because I do take any of her BS because she knows I can see right through it.

Either you are doing OR YOU ARE NOT......there is NO IN BETWEEN

Yeah, what your sister-in-law is doing is horse shit.  I agree.  It's commendable what you are doing for her kids.

...Is she your brother's wife or your wife's sister?  Where's the dad?

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

spunk, how much longer till your 17th birthday

[trex]

Wifes sister. Two different dads ...Ohh yeah its messy.

So my job is two fold in ensuring that their mother in no way serves as a role model....which is difficult...ehhh

Thats what i am talking about...it has been 16 years and she is still a f*$k up......when is enough enough?

Thats why I take a hardline with issues.

[spunkloaf]

It's a sad situation, but I don't think it's just lack of discipline that led her there.
My parents were semi-lenient, and I am doing just fine.

I would have gone crazy if they tried to "control" my character.

[trex]

It's a sad situation, but I don't think it's just lack of discipline that led her there.
My parents were semi-lenient, and I am doing just fine.

I would have gone crazy if they tried to "control" my character.

Some believe character is a choice....choices have consequences....not so much today...but in my house they do.

She lets her kids talk to her boyfriends on the phone all the time after I have asked nicely not to.....so yesterday i told she cant talk to her kids until she gets that through her thick head. She cried and begged and told her to f*#K off. Of course not in front of her kids

Dont have time for her bulls*#t

[conley]

"If you're a prostitute, be the best prostitute you can be"

I LOVE IT

i know what you're saying trex, it's important to take pride in your job and do your best

still, that line had me laughing my azzzz off

[trex]

"If you're a prostitute, be the best prostitute you can be"

I LOVE IT

i know what you're saying trex, it's important to take pride in your job and do your best

still, that line had me laughing my azzzz off

Now you got me laughing at it ..... Its just frustrating...seriously.......people have no shame now a days.....everytime I look at her she makes me sick

[Quaker Democrat]

Peace, equality, integrity, and simplicity.