What spunkloaf is sick of.

[conleys ghost]

I think the standard for this kind of 'hate speech' was at the very least initiated by Limbaugh, Coulter and OReilly and their many followers. These days, it is true you hear guys like  Olbermann (Franken I know nothing about, and while Moore is a windbag who profits from his leftist movies I haven't heard him saying anything comparable to the other three) say some hateful things, the rise of these left wing shock jocks seems much more recent and more in a response to the right. People on the left have gotten so pissed off over the past seven years that they are angry and any standards of behavior have been completely abandoned. It is another lowest common denominator thing where people on the left can say, at least its not as bad as when Ann Coulter said we should destroy the entire middle east, kill their women and convert them to christianity, etc Nobody on the left to my knowledge has ever said anything like that, but fox brings her back b/c she's good for ratings.

[conleys ghost]

i get most of my news from websites: cnn, nytimes, and my local paper. i would like to read wall street journal but they require a subscription. when i've read it in print it's good. fox news i dont care for the website (too many flashy things) and its hard to navigate, so i dont spent much time on it. sometimes if there's scandal i check out drudge, or for early election results  i only watch oreilly or olberman for entertainment value but these days i find them more depressing than amusing.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Limbaugh is a good man. I don't think he is hateful at all.

[pittypat65]

Limbaugh is a good man. I don't think he is hateful at all.

I think he is very funny. Some things I disagree but I kinda like him.

[trex]

I think the standard for this kind of 'hate speech' was at the very least initiated by Limbaugh, Coulter and OReilly and their many followers. These days, it is true you hear guys like  Olbermann (Franken I know nothing about, and while Moore is a windbag who profits from his leftist movies I haven't heard him saying anything comparable to the other three) say some hateful things, the rise of these left wing shock jocks seems much more recent and more in a response to the right. People on the left have gotten so pissed off over the past seven years that they are angry and any standards of behavior have been completely abandoned. It is another lowest common denominator thing where people on the left can say, at least its not as bad as when Ann Coulter said we should destroy the entire middle east, kill their women and convert them to christianity, etc Nobody on the left to my knowledge has ever said anything like that, but fox brings her back b/c she's good for ratings.

I think what cannot be denied that the Hate Bush Movement has given, in the eyes of liberals, catre blanc, to say and do as they please when it comes to campaigning for Obama. They use the Bush Administration for their excuse and claim their right to the WH from that premise.  

The Conservatives find Barack Obama and the Democratic party audacious to think that they can nominate some 4th year senator who gave a rousing speech at their convention and expect people to fall in line because of the "wrongful" war in Iraq.

The bottom line is, as Spunk says, no one is going to roll over until November. You can whine and cry all you want, but when its over....there will most likely be a Republican in the WH for the common sense reasons there has to be.  

John McCain is old..granted but he has a great deal other qualities that give him claim to the WH, for example, he has paid his dues.  Some would argue "Well what about whats best for the country?", well believe it or not John McCain just might be whats best for the country.

Some people just cannot imagine that some 4th year senator who has little political experience in Washington can lead this country into the future.  When issues over his credibilty and "flip floppin" come to light you cannot simply dismiss them.  

Jeremiah Wright will and continue to be an issue in this campaign along with the associates of John McCain.  What Obama supporters should take into account is that the young pup is playing with old dog who has experience in the yard. Experience will be an issue becasue Obama today tried to dismiss it as smear and fear.  

When the dust settles Conley is right we have some serious work to do here in America.  Washington needs serious change.....but it cant be one man or woman who changes it.  It has to be many and the platforms must move closer together to accomplish this.

If the truth comes out about Obama and his seriously liberal voting record the Democrats will not be able to dismiss it.  

[conleys ghost]

Realistically trex though, obama is far more experienced than bush was when he ran for office. being a governor in a state where the governor has such limited power really doesn't amount to much of anything. he had no military experience, no foreign policy, and on and on. while obama is a new senator, at least he has a couple of years of federal experience under his belt.

usually senators don't even make it to the white house. mccain has tried and failed before. i agree obama does not have experience but in most presidential elections being a long term senator seems to be the kiss of death.

mccain is the more experienced, and obama is a liberal...no arguement there and i wont be voting for either one. at this point a vote for either of these parties to me is validating their actions and i am not going to give either side my voting love. it's a protest and i know it wont amount to much but i am basically voting for CHANGE. not the kind obama promised but real change.

[trex]

Realistically trex though, obama is far more experienced than bush was when he ran for office. being a governor in a state where the governor has such limited power really doesn't amount to much of anything. he had no military experience, no foreign policy, and on and on. while obama is a new senator, at least he has a couple of years of federal experience under his belt.

usually senators don't even make it to the white house. mccain has tried and failed before. i agree obama does not have experience but in most presidential elections being a long term senator seems to be the kiss of death.

mccain is the more experienced, and obama is a liberal...no arguement there and i wont be voting for either one. at this point a vote for either of these parties to me is validating their actions and i am not going to give either side my voting love. it's a protest and i know it wont amount to much but i am basically voting for CHANGE. not the kind obama promised but real change.

I respect you and your decision.

I cannot however do the same..... granted there are a couple of democratic ideas i can agree with most I cannot stomach....so therefore I must vote against Obama with the best possiblity of defeating him.....not because of ANYTHING OTHER THAN he is dupping  the American people with his message of HOPE.  McCain is undoubtly doing similar, however he does play on peoples emotions and biases in the manner in which Obama does. I hope that people will discover Obama for the phony that he is.

[conleys ghost]

Realistically trex though, obama is far more experienced than bush was when he ran for office. being a governor in a state where the governor has such limited power really doesn't amount to much of anything. he had no military experience, no foreign policy, and on and on. while obama is a new senator, at least he has a couple of years of federal experience under his belt.

usually senators don't even make it to the white house. mccain has tried and failed before. i agree obama does not have experience but in most presidential elections being a long term senator seems to be the kiss of death.

mccain is the more experienced, and obama is a liberal...no arguement there and i wont be voting for either one. at this point a vote for either of these parties to me is validating their actions and i am not going to give either side my voting love. it's a protest and i know it wont amount to much but i am basically voting for CHANGE. not the kind obama promised but real change.

I respect you and your decision.

I cannot however do the same..... granted there are a couple of democratic ideas i can agree with most I cannot stomach....so therefore I must vote against Obama with the best possiblity of defeating him.....not because of ANYTHING OTHER THAN he is dupping  the American people with his message of HOPE.  McCain is undoubtly doing similar, however he does play on peoples emotions and biases in the manner in which Obama does. I hope that people will discover Obama for the phony that he is.

i respect you and your decision too 

[conleys ghost]

I don't doubt that Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly etc. say these things. They are the mouth piece for the right just as the Moore, Franken, etc. are the mouth piece for the left. So it does come from both sides in various forms. We've all heard the term "warmongering" for years. That is just as asinine don't you agree? Remember, all of the above have made good money doing just this. No need to be offended by it.

Here's a quick read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unamerican

This was a good read, thanks Bored. The Un-American committee...now there's a good thread topic

[spunkloaf]

Realistically trex though, obama is far more experienced than bush was when he ran for office. being a governor in a state where the governor has such limited power really doesn't amount to much of anything. he had no military experience, no foreign policy, and on and on. while obama is a new senator, at least he has a couple of years of federal experience under his belt.

usually senators don't even make it to the white house. mccain has tried and failed before. i agree obama does not have experience but in most presidential elections being a long term senator seems to be the kiss of death.

mccain is the more experienced, and obama is a liberal...no arguement there and i wont be voting for either one. at this point a vote for either of these parties to me is validating their actions and i am not going to give either side my voting love. it's a protest and i know it wont amount to much but i am basically voting for CHANGE. not the kind obama promised but real change.

I respect you and your decision.

I cannot however do the same..... granted there are a couple of democratic ideas i can agree with most I cannot stomach....so therefore I must vote against Obama with the best possiblity of defeating him.....not because of ANYTHING OTHER THAN he is dupping  the American people with his message of HOPE.  McCain is undoubtly doing similar, however he does play on peoples emotions and biases in the manner in which Obama does. I hope that people will discover Obama for the phony that he is.

I was going to vote for Santa Clause.

But the liberal bashing has really pissed me off.  And it all comes from the people who are voting for McCain.  So out of spite, I am voting for Obama.

I sure showed you!  Ha!

Wait.  I didn't vote yet...

I will sure show you!  Ha!

I am kidding, of course.

[bored]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

On another note, I must agree with mr D that limbaugh is a good man. I don't listen to him much bc i get tired of hearing him talk about himself and i think he speculated far too much. But his motives are sincere and non-hateful.

Speaking of hate... i remember in my neighborhood during the 2004 elections the hatred was obviously from the left. Tearing down and destroying bush 08 signs. in another thread, i described the manner in which a group of kerry supporters approached my wife and proceeded to tell her bush will kill our kids. Maybe I'm blind, but i just don't feel that same level of intensity from the right. Sure some do, but its never as personal. I respect peoples opinions and beliefs, but no matter how crazy something sounds to me, I could never justifying it with that type of behavior.

One last thing i'd like to mention: I often hear people on the site quote the right as thinking "if you don't agree with me, then you're an idiot". (paraphrased). There is plenty of examples of the left holding true this exact tactic.

If you're for the war, you are a warmongerer. If you cut taxes, you want poor people to starve (or whatever). If you're a repub, you're a greedy rasict. School lunch spending cuts, you want to starve children. A repub in a photo-op with a black kid, you'd rather take a picture with a black kid then feed them.(Gore's campaign manager 2000 election). Etc.

I post these as evidence, not of fact but rather of a game that is simply apart of politics. All these examples are obvious bs that one should not take it seriously. Many of them are quite offensive but we have to remember that we are not talking about humans here, we're talking about politicians and politics. Both sides have them. Yes, it is disgraceful.

[spunkloaf]

I disagree bored.  I, for one, have not accused people on this site of anything--unless it was out of sarcasm for something they accused me of.  I get very spiteful sometimes.  The other day I said republicans and conservatives should be rounded up and killed.    But, Pitty said before that the liberals should be deported.

Sorry to hear what happened in your neighborhood.  I hardly count tearing down Bush signs as violence though.  And remember, he is un-popular with many parties--it might not have been the left side who did that.

And your Kerry supporters?  Yeah, that seemed a bit blunt--but people do literally take it that way.  People against the war call it murder.  And if your kids are in the military, Bush is murdering them by sending them to an unnecessary war.  That's not how I see it though.




Anyways, to contradict what you said (because that is, aparently, what I am known most for), I personally have not heard people (on these boards) talk about race who ARE ON THE LEFT.  THE RIGHT talks about race SO much more, and in so many more ways, then they claim the left is being racist for not letting them speak their mind. 

I don't know.  You have a good point.  But the right is being brutal.  Just brutal.  And it IS personal.  This is not about politics anymore.  It's about spunkloaf being called a lazy momma's boy who only makes 9.25 an hour.

None of it is true.  But because somebody else said it, that's what sticks.  And now, that's who I am to people.  I hate it.  All because of my political view.  What have I done or said to anybody else about their personal lives?

[conleys ghost]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

On another note, I must agree with mr D that limbaugh is a good man. I don't listen to him much bc i get tired of hearing him talk about himself and i think he speculated far too much. But his motives are sincere and non-hateful.

Speaking of hate... i remember in my neighborhood during the 2004 elections the hatred was obviously from the left. Tearing down and destroying bush 08 signs. in another thread, i described the manner in which a group of kerry supporters approached my wife and proceeded to tell her bush will kill our kids. Maybe I'm blind, but i just don't feel that same level of intensity from the right. Sure some do, but its never as personal. I respect peoples opinions and beliefs, but no matter how crazy something sounds to me, I could never justifying it with that type of behavior.

One last thing i'd like to mention: I often hear people on the site quote the right as thinking "if you don't agree with me, then you're an idiot". (paraphrased). There is plenty of examples of the left holding true this exact tactic.

If you're for the war, you are a warmongerer. If you cut taxes, you want poor people to starve (or whatever). If you're a repub, you're a greedy rasict. School lunch spending cuts, you want to starve children. A repub in a photo-op with a black kid, you'd rather take a picture with a black kid then feed them.(Gore's campaign manager 2000 election). Etc.

I post these as evidence, not of fact but rather of a game that is simply apart of politics. All these examples are obvious bs that one should not take it seriously. Many of them are quite offensive but we have to remember that we are not talking about humans here, we're talking about politicians and politics. Both sides have them. Yes, it is disgraceful.

this is good to know, i guess i was wrong about ol' rush

[bored]

Most of the things i stated were things I've seen in the media. On a political blog, however, it is a quite a different story. My advice to you is to not take it personally. Be firm about your beliefs but don't be emotionally attached to them.  It will only get you discouraged by personal attacks. Which we all are guilty of because we all are different and we all share the right to be wrong. Except for mr D of course. :D

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Most of the things i stated were things I've seen in the media. On a political blog, however, it is a quite a different story. My advice to you is to not take it personally. Be firm about your beliefs but don't be emotionally attached to them.  It will only get you discouraged by personal attacks. Which we all are guilty of because we all are different and we all share the right to be wrong. Except for mr D of course. :D

You're just saying that because I'm Black. Stop pandering, Bored.