What spunkloaf is sick of.

[spunkloaf]

I'd consider hugging you if you didn't have the Technicolor ponies for an avatar.

 

I kid, I kid.  Thanks Conley.

I have much to learn from your kindness to all people.

[spunkloaf]

The regular conservatives on this board have never attacked you because you didn't think the war was a good idea. I have and will continue to attack those who want us to lose in Iraq. There is a huge difference. I think the war was a bad idea although I originally supported the adventure. But its all moot now. We are there.

So the folks who would prefer to bring our troops home rather than be target practice for the insurgents, you would classify those folks as unpatriotic?   

One phrase seems to sum it all up: You're with US, or you're with them.


And so begins the American political holocaust; possibly the second civil war.

People cannot be put into classifications like that.  You cannot serve people an ultimatum based on war and patriotism.  At least, not peacefully.

[conley]

I'd consider hugging you if you didn't have the Technicolor ponies for an avatar.

 

I kid, I kid.  Thanks Conley.

I have much to learn from your kindness to all people.

Hahaha, yeah I am in need of a new avatar 

[BigLebowski]

The regular conservatives on this board have never attacked you because you didn't think the war was a good idea. I have and will continue to attack those who want us to lose in Iraq. There is a huge difference. I think the war was a bad idea although I originally supported the adventure. But its all moot now. We are there.

So the folks who would prefer to bring our troops home rather than be target practice for the insurgents, you would classify those folks as unpatriotic?   

One phrase seems to sum it all up: You're with US, or you're with them.


And so begins the American political holocaust; possibly the second civil war.

People cannot be put into classifications like that.  You cannot serve people an ultimatum based on war and patriotism.  At least, not peacefully.

You are exaclty right.   Don't question my patriotism because I disagree with your foreign policy.   To me that seems Un-American.   

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

[Vermouth]

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

I never thought of it this way, but now that you mention it I think this observation is pretty accurate.

[spunkloaf]

I'd consider hugging you if you didn't have the Technicolor ponies for an avatar.

 

I kid, I kid.  Thanks Conley.

I have much to learn from your kindness to all people.

Hahaha, yeah I am in need of a new avatar 

Yeah.  My "Taliban-Sickle-Swinger" avatar isn't doing me justice...actually, it is a very harmless man vaguely dressed as some sort of middle-eastern farmer, dramatically and violently cutting his crop.

I put it up to show people how afraid they are of ALL middle-easterners, and ultimately how dumb that fear is.

If people pay attention to the style of clothing the guy wears, they might find that it doesn't fit the style description of anybody in the world.  It is purely visual and psychological.

It is album art from one of my favorite bands, Depeche Mode.

[Eric Blair]

Phrases such as “unpatriotic” and “un-American” have been thrown around too loosely. If one is against the war in Iraq, one is un-American. If one doesn’t wear a plastic flag pin, one is unpatriotic. When will it end?

And to conservatives, anyone who doesn’t believe in what they believe is unpatriotic and un-American, as well. I am a democratic socialist. Does that mean I do not love my country? I would not want to live anywhere else in the world. But wait! He’s a socialist, therefore unpatriotic and un-American.

Oi. 

[spunkloaf]

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

I never thought of it this way, but now that you mention it I think this observation is pretty accurate.

Yes.  This country became VERY divided with the Iraq war.  The right-wing did not want responsibility for that, so like always, they made war seem like it was inevitable, and that anybody who opposes it hates this country--INCLUDING Americans.  Ouch.

The convenience of that tactic is so obvious, I'm almost blinded by it.

There are some bad apples on the far left though, too--with conspiracies and anti-government propaganda...not good.  Only more crazy-making.  I myself was victim to much of that, coming out of high school when it came about and taking interest in politics for the first time.  Something I regret.  Coming to boards like these really straightened me out.

[Vermouth]

If people pay attention to the style of clothing the guy wears, they might find that it doesn't fit the style description of anybody in the world.  It is purely visual and psychological.

It is album art from one of my favorite bands, Depeche Mode.

A new album? I didn't realize they were still around. I Depeche Mode.

[Eric Blair]

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

I never thought of it this way, but now that you mention it I think this observation is pretty accurate.

Yes.  This country became VERY divided with the Iraq war.  The right-wing did not want responsibility for that, so like always, they made war seem like it was inevitable, and that anybody who opposes it hates this country--INCLUDING Americans.  Ouch.

The convenience of that tactic is so obvious, I'm almost blinded by it.

There are some bad apples on the far left though, too--with conspiracies and anti-government propaganda...not good.  Only more crazy-making.  I myself was victim to much of that, coming out of high school when it came about and taking interest in politics for the first time.  Something I regret.  Coming to boards like these really straightened me out.

There are bad apples everywhere on the political spectrum. The 9/11 Truth folks can go straight to hell. They give the Left a bad name.

[conley]

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

I never thought of it this way, but now that you mention it I think this observation is pretty accurate.

Yes.  This country became VERY divided with the Iraq war.  The right-wing did not want responsibility for that, so like always, they made war seem like it was inevitable, and that anybody who opposes it hates this country--INCLUDING Americans.  Ouch.

The convenience of that tactic is so obvious, I'm almost blinded by it.

There are some bad apples on the far left though, too--with conspiracies and anti-government propaganda...not good.  Only more crazy-making.  I myself was victim to much of that, coming out of high school when it came about and taking interest in politics for the first time.  Something I regret.  Coming to boards like these really straightened me out.

There are bad apples everywhere on the political spectrum. The 9/11 Truth folks can go straight to hell. They give the Left a bad name.

totally agree with all three points.

[spunkloaf]

Phrases such as “unpatriotic” and “un-American” have been thrown around too loosely. If one is against the war in Iraq, one is un-American. If one doesn’t wear a plastic flag pin, one is unpatriotic. When will it end?

And to conservatives, anyone who doesn’t believe in what they believe is unpatriotic and un-American, as well. I am a democratic socialist. Does that mean I do not love my country? I would not want to live anywhere else in the world. But wait! He’s a socialist, therefore unpatriotic and un-American.

Oi. 

Oh, yeah.  Socialists have it worse than liberals, but that gap is slowly closing.  Soon it will be one of two sides.  Us, or them.

I REALLY hope it never comes to that.  That is why I try to diffuse the hatred and mis-understanding and arrogance between the parties.

Conservatives have the most growing up to do, I think.


Another thing I am sick of hearing, which falls into the same boat as patriotism, is religion.

"Obama is a Muslim!" (not true)  But even if it was true, WHY is that supposed to be a political deciding factor?  Yeah, yeah--this nation was founded with Christian principles--but freedom of religion SHOULD teach us to have acceptance for other religions.  After all, people can't help how they are brought up, and nobody is certain who is right about God or who is wrong.

I wish people would just leave God out of it.  God hates politics.

[Eric Blair]

Phrases such as “unpatriotic” and “un-American” have been thrown around too loosely. If one is against the war in Iraq, one is un-American. If one doesn’t wear a plastic flag pin, one is unpatriotic. When will it end?

And to conservatives, anyone who doesn’t believe in what they believe is unpatriotic and un-American, as well. I am a democratic socialist. Does that mean I do not love my country? I would not want to live anywhere else in the world. But wait! He’s a socialist, therefore unpatriotic and un-American.

Oi. 

Oh, yeah.  Socialists have it worse than liberals, but that gap is slowly closing.  Soon it will be one of two sides.  Us, or them.

I REALLY hope it never comes to that.  That is why I try to diffuse the hatred and mis-understanding and arrogance between the parties.

Conservatives have the most growing up to do, I think.


Another thing I am sick of hearing, which falls into the same boat as patriotism, is religion.

"Obama is a Muslim!" (not true)  But even if it was true, WHY is that supposed to be a political deciding factor?  Yeah, yeah--this nation was founded with Christian principles--but freedom of religion SHOULD teach us to have acceptance for other religions.  After all, people can't help how they are brought up, and nobody is certain who is right about God or who is wrong.

I wish people would just leave God out of it.  God hates politics.

To Christians, freedom of religion means anyone who identifies themselves as Christian (Protestant or Catholic) can practice their religion freely. But if you’re a Muslim – Jesus Christ in Heaven, damn you to Hell!

Not all Muslims are terrorists. You don’t see many Muslims denounce the radicals because they’re afraid they’ll be targeted.

Mind you, I’m not a member of any political party. I associate myself with the Socialist Party USA, but I’m not an official member. I don’t like parties.

[conley]

I'd consider hugging you if you didn't have the Technicolor ponies for an avatar.

 

I kid, I kid.  Thanks Conley.

I have much to learn from your kindness to all people.

Hahaha, yeah I am in need of a new avatar 

Yeah.  My "Taliban-Sickle-Swinger" avatar isn't doing me justice...actually, it is a very harmless man vaguely dressed as some sort of middle-eastern farmer, dramatically and violently cutting his crop.

I put it up to show people how afraid they are of ALL middle-easterners, and ultimately how dumb that fear is.

If people pay attention to the style of clothing the guy wears, they might find that it doesn't fit the style description of anybody in the world.  It is purely visual and psychological.

It is album art from one of my favorite bands, Depeche Mode.

Aaaaaaah. I had no idea what your avatar was. I didn't get sickle, I didn't get Taliban...I thought it was some guy from Street Fighter or something. People in this country use sickles too, but ignorami probably call them communistas!

[spunkloaf]

I actually thought the American political holocaust was going to start the day they stopped recounting votes in 2000.   I honestly believe it would have occured if not for 9-11, which brought the nation together.   And then Ironically the war in Iraq brought the division back. 

I never thought of it this way, but now that you mention it I think this observation is pretty accurate.

Yes.  This country became VERY divided with the Iraq war.  The right-wing did not want responsibility for that, so like always, they made war seem like it was inevitable, and that anybody who opposes it hates this country--INCLUDING Americans.  Ouch.

The convenience of that tactic is so obvious, I'm almost blinded by it.

There are some bad apples on the far left though, too--with conspiracies and anti-government propaganda...not good.  Only more crazy-making.  I myself was victim to much of that, coming out of high school when it came about and taking interest in politics for the first time.  Something I regret.  Coming to boards like these really straightened me out.

There are bad apples everywhere on the political spectrum. The 9/11 Truth folks can go straight to hell. They give the Left a bad name.

Although I don't condone setting people against our government and claiming them as the perpetrators, I can totally understand people's frustration towards the matter because of the lies and information that was withheld from victims' families--and the rest of America.  The only question is why?  Why not investigate?  Why no trials?  Those are fair enough questions, and deserve answers.  Never happened.

But I agree, it is bullshit to make up stories about 9/11 in order to confuse people of the government.  And they did give the left a very bad name.

But isn't it funny how a couple of lunatics can ruin it for everybody on the left, while hundreds, if not thousands of right-wing hardcore bad asses can get away with labeling their own countrymen/women as "un-American".