Who Will Stop The Balkanization?

[conley]

Personally, I like cultural diversity when everyone gets along. In the past that's helped make this country as great as it is. I don't know if it's just my perception, or all the Republicans talking about it, or what, but I feel things have changed. The problem is when you have large groups of people in this country who don't seem to support it or show any interest in becoming part of the larger whole. There appears to be large parts of the Southwest where this is the case.This is a silly example, but if you look at a US-Mexico soccer game here in the States, you will see a hell of a lot more people cheering for Mexico than the US.

The business people want cheap labor, and the politicians want the hispanic vote.

So who exactly is trying to prevent this, and how can they do it? Two things which I think would be *relatively easy* to do would be to close the border and enforce immigration law.

[conley]

perhaps it is just inevitable...looking at hard numbers it seems the population growth of latinos and our neighbors to the south far exceeds that of our country. that's just a guess from having seen various mexican families around town, but it would hold with what i know.

actually, the growth rate for both countries according to wikipedia is only 1%

[Vermouth]

You're right - "Two things which I think would be *relatively easy* to do would be to close the border and enforce immigration law."

Most of the country supports this. I don't know why the government still will not seriously address it.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I would just be repeating myself. 

[conley]

I would just be repeating myself. 

but is there anything we can do as ordinary citizens? there doesnt seem to be. this isnt a priority for any of the three presidential candidates and even if they did care, nothing would be done about it by congress. ah well, i shouldn't have brought the subject up i guess.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I would just be repeating myself. 

but is there anything we can do as ordinary citizens? there doesnt seem to be. this isnt a priority for any of the three presidential candidates and even if they did care, nothing would be done about it by congress. ah well, i shouldn't have brought the subject up i guess.

Why not? It's important. Speak your mind and make your concerns known. That's doing something. How many White people do you know who turn a blind eye to this because they are worried about being thought of as a racist? I asked myself the same question 2 years ago and besides giving money to certain causes I decided that I can convince other Americans that our nation is in danger. It's small but it's worthwhile.

[conley]

I would just be repeating myself. 

but is there anything we can do as ordinary citizens? there doesnt seem to be. this isnt a priority for any of the three presidential candidates and even if they did care, nothing would be done about it by congress. ah well, i shouldn't have brought the subject up i guess.

Why not? It's important. Speak your mind and make your concerns known. That's doing something. How many White people do you know who turn a blind eye to this because they are worried about being thought of as a racist? I asked myself the same question 2 years ago and besides giving money to certain causes I decided that I can convince other Americans that our nation is in danger. It's small but it's worthwhile.

you're right...i was just wondering if i should have brought it up because it is a bit of a depressing subject and i feel completely powerless to change anything. to be honest, that's how i feel about a lot of political issues these days. i think my parents generation have really screwed this country up and you and i are going to be left holding the bag.

living past the peak of the american dream and seeing its downturn  is going to suck 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I would just be repeating myself. 

but is there anything we can do as ordinary citizens? there doesnt seem to be. this isnt a priority for any of the three presidential candidates and even if they did care, nothing would be done about it by congress. ah well, i shouldn't have brought the subject up i guess.

Why not? It's important. Speak your mind and make your concerns known. That's doing something. How many White people do you know who turn a blind eye to this because they are worried about being thought of as a racist? I asked myself the same question 2 years ago and besides giving money to certain causes I decided that I can convince other Americans that our nation is in danger. It's small but it's worthwhile.

you're right...i was just wondering if i should have brought it up because it is a bit of a depressing subject and i feel completely powerless to change anything. to be honest, that's how i feel about a lot of political issues these days. i think my parents generation have really screwed this country up and you and i are going to be left holding the bag.

living past the peak of the american dream and seeing its downturn  is going to suck 

My fear is that the US will become a giant South Africa. There will be a huge Mestizo underclass along with a smaller Black underclass. This Hispanic underclass is already in the making. I don't really fear a decline in our standard of living but I do fear a decline in our quality of life as social unrest becomes much more frequent.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

"This is a silly example, but if you look at a US-Mexico soccer game here in the States, you will see a hell of a lot more people cheering for Mexico than the US."

That is an excellent example. What would you say it's silly? An even better example was when Mexican illegals took to the streets waving Mexican flags and telling us how it's gonna be.

The morons on Fox News made my skin crawl during the immigration non debate. Especially the women. "Don't scapegoat the Mexicans! Oh dear, no! I won't stand for it!" 

[conley]

well i guess the counter argument would be that americans dont really care about soccer, whereas it's probably the national sport of mexico

which makes it all the sweeter that the united states dominates them

i feel like mexican-americans who are born here and are citizens should of course be loyal to the united states. but it doesn't seem as though that is the way many of these individuals are raised. i have no idea how it used to be. i imagine a lot of americans in the north east were fearful about the italian and irish immigrant populations, and that turned out ok. i guess if our economy wasn't in the crapper and we didn't have pressing economic concerns this might not be as big an issue (back when the irish and italians were immigrating there were no emergency rooms, social security and medicare). i wonder if there are any studies out there that can really determine how much illegals cost our health care system. like i told pat the other day my understanding is that you now have to show papers to get medicare, but that doesn't mean that illegals (and all uninsured) dont kill the emergency department budgets.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

well i guess the counter argument would be that americans dont really care about soccer, whereas it's probably the national sport of mexico

which makes it all the sweeter that the united states dominates them

i feel like mexican-americans who are born here and are citizens should of course be loyal to the united states. but it doesn't seem as though that is the way many of these individuals are raised. i have no idea how it used to be. i imagine a lot of americans in the north east were fearful about the italian and irish immigrant populations, and that turned out ok. i guess if our economy wasn't in the crapper and we didn't have pressing economic concerns this might not be as big an issue (back when the irish and italians were immigrating there were no emergency rooms, social security and medicare). i wonder if there are any studies out there that can really determine how much illegals cost our health care system. like i told pat the other day my understanding is that you now have to show papers to get medicare, but that doesn't mean that illegals (and all uninsured) dont kill the emergency department budgets.

The "What about the Italians and Irish?" argument is used by swine on both the Right and Left to put a happy face on a disasterous immigration policy. (I'm not attacking you for using it) The White immigrants became indistinguishable from the natives in terms of education and income within 1 or 2 generations. Granted, the Mexicans have another generation to go but things are not looking good. Like Blacks, they are failing miserably.

Illegals are a major strain on ER budgets because they have to go to the ER for everything.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Sorry, this is a subject I take very seriously. I think our future depends on allowing a real debate on race and immigration. We are too afraid and it could prove to be our downfall.

[conley]

Sorry, this is a subject I take very seriously. I think our future depends on allowing a real debate on race and immigration. We are too afraid and it could prove to be our downfall.

No need to apologize...you make good points. No one can say otherwise. You've obviously thought and read a lot about it.

As far as the Latinos being better in a generation, I think at best we can hope for the status quo. The way things are going it is likely that things are going to get worse before they get better.

[conley]

So who is looking out to prevent this from happening? You mentioned some groups you support?

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

So who is looking out to prevent this from happening? You mentioned some groups you support?

For instance, I read Jared Taylor's American Renaissance and support the work he does. I donate to them twice a year. If you google it you will see some people decrying him as a racist. It's nonsense. Just another attempt to stifle debate.

There are neo-Nazis around but you have to want to get caught up with those people.