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There are no spoils. This was never a war of conquest. This is one of the fundamental differences between Russia's actions in Georgia and our actions in Iraq. The neocons believed that they could transform the region by establishing a functioning democracy there. We'll see. This was a long term plan. Even if we develop alternative energy sources we will still be using oil for a long time to come.

Besides, can you imagine liberal apoplexy if our goal really was to plunder Iraq? Can you imagine if the "war for oil" mantra carried real weight? 

I don't believe the Neocons believe in giving the Iraqis the right to vote al Queda in (edit: al Sadr or whoever). You make them sound so noble. Neocons want the US #1 and taking the oil would have done that. Furthermore, why would anyone care what these lefties would say? As we've seen they will say it regardless. Lastly, the biggest difference between Russia and us is that when they decide to go to war they don't pussy foot around. If the point of this war was our national interest, WHY STOP NOW

There are no spoils. This was never a war of conquest. This is one of the fundamental differences between Russia's actions in Georgia and our actions in Iraq. The neocons believed that they could transform the region by establishing a functioning democracy there. We'll see. This was a long term plan. Even if we develop alternative energy sources we will still be using oil for a long time to come.

Besides, can you imagine liberal apoplexy if our goal really was to plunder Iraq? Can you imagine if the "war for oil" mantra carried real weight? 

that finger...doesn't really look like a finger

congrats grump -- you just got smited ;-)

if you tell me who it was i'll applaud you each time i log in here for the next few days

 

OK, so we agree that invading Iraq after all was for our own (national) best interest, correct? Even if they did have WMDs, even if the intel was correct...having said all that. AFTER we invaded, obviously, seizing the oil would also be in our best interest and in the interest of national security and at least in the short term do nothing but stabilize our economy and basically set us up for the next 20 years while we develop alternative energies.

So, in all seriousness, why did we not finish the deal? Why back out at the last minute? Where do you draw the line between respecting a sovereign nation and if you're going to invade and occupy it -- keeping some of the spoils?

in all seriousness though, it's true. countries like france, even though their unemployment, economic development, and pretty much everything else is a total disaster, does greatly benefit when the good ol' US of A comes in and stabilizes their fossil fuel supply. just one more reason why i think it would have made sense for us to take the benefits of iraqi oil.

and now i start a new thread...

edit: new thread here
http://politirant.com/forums/rants/question-for-those-who-thought-we-were-justified-for-invading-iraq-all-along/msg42638/?topicseen#msg42638

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for you, i or anyone to pretend that they have any idea what will or will not happen within iraq after our departure is silly.  no one knows.  maybe total dissolution.  maybe a strong man emerges.  as for debating the run up to this war, this is fruitless as we are there and the question is what to do now.  now we win and we win by leaving a secured iraq, their future in their hands, and burning iran the ground.  regarding defense expenditures.  if we have learned  anything in iraq/afghanistan is that the majority of our nato partners are ball less.  maybe it is time to make the europeans step up and be responsible for their own defense!

You're right, noone knows for sure what will happen. However, 1500 years of a history of fighting gives a pretty good indication of what will happen.

The question about Iran is funny though. After you burn it to the ground what then?

As far as the majority of Nato partners being sackless, I see them as being smart. They are letting the US police the world while they build their economies. Pretty shrewed in my mind. The question for us is whether or not the US should police the world.

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for you, i or anyone to pretend that they have any idea what will or will not happen within iraq after our departure is silly.  no one knows.  maybe total dissolution.  maybe a strong man emerges.  as for debating the run up to this war, this is fruitless as we are there and the question is what to do now.  now we win and we win by leaving a secured iraq, their future in their hands, and burning iran the ground.  regarding defense expenditures.  if we have learned  anything in iraq/afghanistan is that the majority of our nato partners are ball less.  maybe it is time to make the europeans step up and be responsible for their own defense!

You're right, noone knows for sure what will happen. However, 1500 years of a history of fighting gives a pretty good indication of what will happen.

The question about Iran is funny though. After you burn it to the ground what then?

As far as the majority of Nato partners being sackless, I see them as being smart. They are letting the US police the world while they build their economies. Pretty shrewed in my mind. The question for us is whether or not the US should police the world.

Why? Whats wrong with the truth?

Trex,
  Here is the truth. It's the woman's choice, not someone else. She has to do all the work. And it's none of your business. Perhaps we should include rape and incest, too. Like Mother Palin. She's a dandy. Mean and nasty. Just what you like

Why does it take two to tango only after the baby is born?

Does the man play a role in CARRYING the pregnancy?  No.  It's all about her.

He pays for the rest of his life for a decision that supposedly only affects her. You are either dishonest or slow. I'm guessing the latter but I'm a patient man. It's a my Christianity. 

Like always, you can't win so you attack my character.

Anyways, we are talking about rpegnancy.  If the man were allowed to carry it, he would have just as much of a right.  But a man does not, so....what is your point?

I think it's sweet that Trex loves babies. But I don't think it's a good thing for poor people to have unwanted babies they can't afford. Family planning benefits society.