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Author Topic: Does Bush Believe McCain Was Tortured?  (Read 62 times)
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« on: August 20, 2008, 08:49:33 AM »

By Andrew Sullivan .... a republican.


In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?

According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.

Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."

No war crimes were committed against McCain. And the techniques used are, according to the president, tools to extract accurate information. And so the false confessions that McCain was forced to make were, according to the logic of the Bush administration, as accurate as the "intelligence" we have procured from "interrogating" terror suspects. Feel safer?

The cross-in-the-dirt story - although deeply fishy to any fair observer - is in the realm of the unprovable. But the actual techniques used on McCain, and the lies they were designed to legitimize, are a matter of historical record. And the government of the United States now practices the very same techniques that the Communist government of North Vietnam once proudly used against American soldiers. When they are used against future John McCains, the victims will know, in a way McCain didn't, that their own government has no moral standing to complain.

Now the kicker: in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue.

These are the prices people pay for power.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 07:21:54 PM »

All countries do it.  http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/25509629.html  I certainly don't want the military doing it.  If it needs to be done, let the CIA do it.  Of course, in my world there would be a lot more dead terrorists and many less captured terrorists. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 07:31:06 PM »

All countries do it.  http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/25509629.html  I certainly don't want the military doing it.  If it needs to be done, let the CIA do it.  Of course, in my world there would be a lot more dead terrorists and many less captured terrorists. 
absolutely.  expeditiously hand terrorists over to cia interrogators with the caveat that every interrogation concludes with a dead terrorist.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 08:53:52 PM »

All countries do it.  http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/25509629.html  I certainly don't want the military doing it.  If it needs to be done, let the CIA do it.  Of course, in my world there would be a lot more dead terrorists and many less captured terrorists. 
absolutely.  expeditiously hand terrorists over to cia interrogators with the caveat that every interrogation concludes with a dead terrorist.

I am more for killing their sorry asses on the battlefield.  Sorry, CIA, nobody left to question today.  I promise I will try better tomorrow. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 06:25:51 AM »

yeah but some of the intel is good and would rather not have the army or units assigned to the army involved.  of course is there are no prisoners there are no prisoners.
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