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[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

I'm surprised that mama let him stay up after his beddie-bye time ... judging from the maturity of his posts!

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

I'm surprised that mama let him stay up after his beddie-bye time ... judging from the maturity of his posts!

well past my bedtime but mama always let me stay up for the wizard of oz and this debate was just as fantastical but lacked the entertainment value.  in short gunnit i do this for your benefit.  now to the debate.   no real questions and no real answers.  an exercise in pandering to the black vote and who has witnessed more poverty?  ms edwards wins due to her initiative in taking a tour of poverty.  we did learn that of the candidates are salivating for the opportunity to pull the dem/lib masses to their breasts and  nurse them through this overwhelming challenge that the rest of us call life.  re-enforced was the knowledge that mrs bill is an old school down and dirty pol while obama in this capacity is in way over his head.  at the end of the debate she actually tossed him a softball as she declared that she was the one with national security experience to best beat the gop nominee.  the obvious response is to remind people that the experience mrs bill trumpets consists of being first lady and no one is suggesting that laura bush run for president.  despite her claims now, she never spoke of her national security experience in her own autobiography!  she attended no security council meetings and to date has released no records that would support her claims of having been deeply involved with policy.  her harrowing fairytale of  flying into a hot zone in the balkans is ridiculous but deserved sharing with the audience.  this trip occurred well after hostilities had subsided and included in the entourage were sheryl crow, sin bad, and age 15 chelsea!  finally as senator, on the most important national security question of her time in office, mrs bill voted for the use of force authorization.  let me remind you that she did so without reading the nie report although she alluded to having consulted with unnamed intel souces?  since then she has attempted to rewrite history by telling all that she was voting to authorize the threat of voting to use force??  in short,  with lives in the balance, she made a political calculation and followed the herd to the trough.  as the war went predictably bad rather than admit she was wrong and learn from her mistake she has chosen to obfuscate.  he could remind the voters that this point will be driven home by her rival in the general election and her vacillatingly and flip flopping will not present the image of a president that is strong and resolute with regard to national security.  this was an easy argument for obama to make and would have been well received by their audience.  instead he wanders off on some track about parleying with the enemy?   

[AC]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

did i say anything that is incorrect?  put yourself in obama's position, would you have sat there and let her throw out national security credentials that in reality do not exist?  in the discussion that centered around lobbyists would you have changed lanes and discussed her and her husbands record of campaign finance irregularities?  these were available and legitimate avenues of attack that a more experienced pol will exploit.  you can admire his above the fray attitude to date but he has to use his voice and presence to own the stage.

[conley]

for a while i thought that "above the fray" attitude was helping him...now im not so sure. it is unfortunate that he might have to abandon that ideal but it appears he is not yet willing to take that step. perhaps if things get dicey in south carolina. i do think he speaks a great deal from the heart but the man has no means of explaining how he is going to accomplish all he hopes to and a voting record of 'present' is not enough to convince me. i do appreciate his efforts to keep the issues front and center unlike the republicans who at various times accuse each other of demonizing christianity, using taxpayers money to cheat on their wives, etc

[conley]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

no offense ac but didnt you and your family, being hardcore republicans, support reagan? he was an actor too

just throwing my useless 2 cents aroud 

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

no offense ac but didnt you and your family, being hardcore republicans, support reagan? he was an actor too

just throwing my useless 2 cents aroud 

I lost an auction on Ebay for a great anti-Reagan poster. It had him in his cowboy costume and it read: The Fascist in the west. That tickled me. It must have been from 1980 but I can't remember.

[conley]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

no offense ac but didnt you and your family, being hardcore republicans, support reagan? he was an actor too

just throwing my useless 2 cents aroud 

I lost an auction on Ebay for a great anti-Reagan poster. It had him in his cowboy costume and it read: The Fascist in the west. That tickled me. It must have been from 1980 but I can't remember.

hahah much were you willing to pay and why did you let yourself get outbid?!?

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

no offense ac but didnt you and your family, being hardcore republicans, support reagan? he was an actor too

just throwing my useless 2 cents aroud 

I just lost track I guess. This was a couple years ago. Can't win 'em all Conley....

I lost an auction on Ebay for a great anti-Reagan poster. It had him in his cowboy costume and it read: The Fascist in the west. That tickled me. It must have been from 1980 but I can't remember.

hahah much were you willing to pay and why did you let yourself get outbid?!?

Hmmm my first attempt to post this didn't work. The text disappeared?

This was two years ago. I must have lost track. Can't win 'em all Conley...

[AC]

I didn't watch the debates Grumpy, and I'm no fan of Hillary either.

Still, no candidate in either party could be considered an expert in the issue of national "security", since the "issue" is quite new.

My point was only that Hillary's experience is vast when compared with What's his Name, the actor.

It doesn't matter anyway, since the whole issue is BS.

The war on terror is a ruse, and we are all it's victims.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

I didn't watch the debates Grumpy, and I'm no fan of Hillary either.

Still, no candidate in either party could be considered an expert in the issue of national "security", since the "issue" is quite new.

My point was only that Hillary's experience is vast when compared with What's his Name, the actor.

It doesn't matter anyway, since the whole issue is BS.

The war on terror is a ruse, and we are all it's victims.

my point is that neither of them have any and she blew her one opportunity ( iraq war) to for the dems demonstrate that she does. 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Harsh treatment for Senator Clinton from the dude that supports an actor.

no offense ac but didnt you and your family, being hardcore republicans, support reagan? he was an actor too

just throwing my useless 2 cents aroud 

i just had the same problem

I just lost track I guess. This was a couple years ago. Can't win 'em all Conley....

I lost an auction on Ebay for a great anti-Reagan poster. It had him in his cowboy costume and it read: The Fascist in the west. That tickled me. It must have been from 1980 but I can't remember.

hahah much were you willing to pay and why did you let yourself get outbid?!?

Hmmm my first attempt to post this didn't work. The text disappeared?

This was two years ago. I must have lost track. Can't win 'em all Conley...

[conley]

it is interesting how the politicians who have been in washington always emphasize their experience

the ones with no experience (like obama and romney to a lesser extent) attack that experience by saying it was ineffective and resort to running on 'change'

'change' is nice but it doesnt buy you much more than a pack of gum or a soda

[AC]

OK.

Good point.

[conley]

re national security
personally i thought it was crazy that all the democrats were saying they would immediately pull completely out of iraq

i'm paraphrasing but thats what it sounded like to me

i guess im a moderate...i wish we had never gone to iraq but to just leave completely now would probably set national security back more than never having gone in the first place

the thing is also though is that i think they are all lying through their teeth. or at least bending the words. of course there will still be the green zone there in iraq and of course we will need troops there to protect them. they can argue over the wording (no -combat- troops) but there will deifnitely be troops there and there should be.

mccain is about the only truthful one in either party saying we will have troops there for fifty-sixty years. theres no way around it.