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[Mr. Dirlewanger]

re national security
personally i thought it was crazy that all the democrats were saying they would immediately pull completely out of iraq

i'm paraphrasing but thats what it sounded like to me

i guess im a moderate...i wish we had never gone to iraq but to just leave completely now would probably set national security back more than never having gone in the first place

the thing is also though is that i think they are all lying through their teeth. or at least bending the words. of course there will still be the green zone there in iraq and of course we will need troops there to protect them. they can argue over the wording (no -combat- troops) but there will deifnitely be troops there and there should be.

mccain is about the only truthful one in either party saying we will have troops there for fifty-sixty years. theres no way around it.

I agree. We aren't leaving Iraq any time soon. I now believe the war to have been a mistake but I guess it will really depend on how Iraq turns out. At any rate, we can't just pick up our toys and leave.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

Seems that Grumpy's text vanished too. 

[AC]

Why not?

As long as ME counties remain occupied, trouble is assured.

[conley]

Why not?

As long as ME counties remain occupied, trouble is assured.

i agree with you (and ron paul) in principle

but the deescalation is going to have to be very very careful. i guess obama has said that, saying as careless as we got in we have to be that careful getting out. the reality though i think is that we basically started a fight and now to just turn walk away and hope we dont get shot in the back is asking/hoping for too much.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

[conley]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

very true

and besides, even if a sustainable energy source is found (meaning we no longer rely on middle east oil) the middle east will remain a threat to national security due to the years of history between our two cultures/religions/societies/civilizations. i dont think we can just apologize to obl and al queda and hope that they forgive the slaughter of their civilians and the occupation of their lands (and im not saying we should do that)

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

very true

and besides, even if a sustainable energy source is found (meaning we no longer rely on middle east oil) the middle east will remain a threat to national security due to the years of history between our two cultures/religions/societies/civilizations. i dont think we can just apologize to obl and al queda and hope that they forgive the slaughter of their civilians and the occupation of their lands (and im not saying we should do that)

I'm sure AQ isn't shedding tears over dead and maimed civilians. Nor are we it seems...touche! (a little preemption...)

They hated uis before Iraq, they hate us now, they'll hate us later.

[AC]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

Yeah... We should ask the Iraqis; and not the ones Bushco installed.

Then we can give them Cheney and Wolfowitz to do with as they please, and with our profound apologies.

[AC]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

very true

and besides, even if a sustainable energy source is found (meaning we no longer rely on middle east oil) the middle east will remain a threat to national security due to the years of history between our two cultures/religions/societies/civilizations. i dont think we can just apologize to obl and al queda and hope that they forgive the slaughter of their civilians and the occupation of their lands (and im not saying we should do that)

I'm sure AQ isn't shedding tears over dead and maimed civilians. Nor are we it seems...touche! (a little preemption...)

They hated uis before Iraq, they hate us now, they'll hate us later.

Why does the evil Al qeada, which nobody ever heard of prior to 1998, hate us anyway?

Please be realistic with an answer.

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

You can't just destabilize the region and decide it wasn't worth it after all and leave. It's irresponsible.

very true

and besides, even if a sustainable energy source is found (meaning we no longer rely on middle east oil) the middle east will remain a threat to national security due to the years of history between our two cultures/religions/societies/civilizations. i dont think we can just apologize to obl and al queda and hope that they forgive the slaughter of their civilians and the occupation of their lands (and im not saying we should do that)

I'm sure AQ isn't shedding tears over dead and maimed civilians. Nor are we it seems...touche! (a little preemption...)

They hated uis before Iraq, they hate us now, they'll hate us later.

Why does the evil Al qeada, which nobody ever heard of prior to 1998, hate us anyway?

Please be realistic with an answer.

I didn't have AQ in mind specifically. As I've said before, they don't like outside powers getting involved in their affairs. The reality is that outsiders have been and will continue to be involved in their affairs until no one cares about their oil. Oil is a strategic resource (a resource first exploited by outsiders and now used primarily by outsiders to run the machines outsiders create) and no one will tolerate any state of affairs that will limit access to it. This will end when alternatives to oil are deemed worthwhile and imperative.

How's that?

I might also add that AQ and it's laughably backward ideology are not only evil but the primary reason that Arabs will eventually be consigned to the dark ages they apparently long for. At some point, Whitey and the evil joOoOow won't have any reason to bother with their desert home.

[AC]

I'd like to see a dissertation on the ideology of Al Qaeda, and be able to review it's source.

For all we know, they are but freedom fighters.

[AC]

The Perfect Storm:

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/economic-tsunami-perfect-storm.html

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

I'd like to see a dissertation on the ideology of Al Qaeda, and be able to review it's source.

For all we know, they are but freedom fighters.

It's all subjective in the end, is it not? "One man's blah blah..." 

Your link is blocked here.

[AC]

In the battle of Good vs. Evil, Cheney's mission is more than suspect.

(Link works for me.)

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

In the battle of Good vs. Evil, Cheney's mission is more than suspect.

(Link works for me.)

Iraq has been a fiasco, IMO. I have no quarrel with you there. 15 years from now who knows? I'm not saying it will be but the Iraq War could turn out to be a longterm success if a stable democracy were to develop in Iraq. Will it? I doubt it.

No, the link works but my admin won't allow me to reach it. "Social networking site" or some bullshit.