Republicans doubting McCain because of "abortion comments"

[Peter1469]

Christians have spread more bullshit, created more lies, killed more people and destroyed more countries than most religions.

It's all about fundamentalism.  You don't believe in God?  Fuck you.  You're dead.
You believe in God?  Do you believe in my God?  No?  Fuck you, you're dead.  My God has a bigger dick than your God!

That's classical fundamentalism, from an outside point of view.  And Christianity is FULL of fundamentalism.  Abortion and homosexuality are excellent examples.  We would all be happier if some dumb fucks did not create religion as a means of control thousands of years ago.  God would be SO MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL if people were LEFT TO FIND HIM ON THEIR OWN!!!!!

Dammit, you guys got me all riled up.

Sorry, it's just what I know.

I guess you missed the post where I proved that a person was over 13000 times more likely to be killed by the State when the State is ruled by an atheist rather than ruled by a Christian leader.  My other computer crashed, so I lost the post (it is on here somewhere) but the basics are: look at the number of Christian rulers – about 1800 since the founding of the Holy Roman Empire (and that is a low number since it doesn’t count small principalities in the fractioned pre-Germany).  Then I provided the rough estimate of citizens killed by their own rulers.  Next I pointed out the perhaps 18 or so atheist leaders who ruled various socialist and communist nations during the 20th century.  They killed ~168M of their own citizens (and this is an extremely low number).  After some very simple math, one concludes that you are 13000 times more likely to be killed by your own government when that government is ruled by an atheist than ruled by a Christian.  And this result is based on an underestimation of both the numbers of Christian rulers versus atheist rulers and the numbers of people killed by atheist rulers. 

Now, I am sure that I don’t have the numbers exactly correct, since I am doing this on the fly: but I have the principle absolutely correct. 

Regarding abortion: if a fetus is not human life, then who cares.  If a fetus is human life then the amount of abortions in the US make Nazi Germany look like a girl-scout outing.  Take your pick- I don’t care which; just don’t discount the other point of view. 
 

I was not comparing religion to government, as you are here.

What kinds of "atheist" leaders killed their citizens for believing in God?

If you are an atheist, you are religious in my book.  You are religious AGAINST God.  Agnostics have the real answers. They just don't give a shit, and that's how it should be--on a national scale.

So, name me one agnostic nation that has killed its own people?

Wow- I say again wow.

Regarding agnostics: I suspect that many leaders classified as Christian were agnostic.  I doubt that any leaders commonly thought of as atheists were agnostic.  Nevertheless, atheists by definition are not theists: they don't kill for a higher power; they kill to create the perfect society.  They insist that there is a better way to live and kill those that disagree.  Religious people tend to not go to those extremes, although I admit that modern militant Islamists are an exception to this rule.   

[pittypat65]

I am an agnostic. I don't know the answer or pretend to know. I try to do what I believe to be the right thing, but not out of fear of some God. I have always been like that as long as I can remember. My father was an athiest but a very kind decent person who would never hurt a soul. He'd give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.

[Peter1469]

I am an agnostic. I don't know the answer or pretend to know. I try to do what I believe to be the right thing, but not out of fear of some God. I have always been like that as long as I can remember. My father was an athiest but a very kind decent person who would never hurt a soul. He'd give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.

That is typical for your average Joe-atheist 6 pack.  It is not typical for atheists who have lofty goals for society and actually gain power. 

[Peter1469]

So Spunk can watch the video of the surgery where the fetus reaches out to grab the doctor’s finger and still see the fetus as excess tissue.  Amazing. 

I would agree with Spunk’s pro-abortion views if we removed birth as a condition for an abortion.  Hey, my neighbor is an inconvenience.  I will just abort him.  Problem solved.
 

[spunkloaf]

So Spunk can watch the video of the surgery where the fetus reaches out to grab the doctor’s finger and still see the fetus as excess tissue.  Amazing. 

I would agree with Spunk’s pro-abortion views if we removed birth as a condition for an abortion.  Hey, my neighbor is an inconvenience.  I will just abort him.  Problem solved.
 

That's just such a shitty way of looking at it, but to each his own.

[Peter1469]

So Spunk can watch the video of the surgery where the fetus reaches out to grab the doctor’s finger and still see the fetus as excess tissue.  Amazing. 

I would agree with Spunk’s pro-abortion views if we removed birth as a condition for an abortion.  Hey, my neighbor is an inconvenience.  I will just abort him.  Problem solved.
 

That's just such a shitty way of looking at it, but to each his own.

I agree that it is shitty, but it is an accurate comparison if you believe that a fetus is human or deserving on human rights.   

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

It is easier to have a principal when there is nothing on the line. 

Peter, this is, without a doubt, the most intelligent comment in this entire thread.

[Pukka Sahib]

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[Mr. Dirlewanger]

It is easier to have a principal when there is nothing on the line. 

Peter, this is, without a doubt, the most intelligent comment in this entire thread.

Why does this appeal to you so?

[Pukka Sahib]

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[Peter1469]

I think he meant to use the word "principle."

Shit, you are correct.  That is what happens late at night after several drinks....

[Pukka Sahib]

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[Wowster]

We've always had doubts about McCain.  On the other hand, we are absolutely certain about Obama.  I wouldn't vote for Obama if McCain dangled one of Michael Jackson's kids from a balcony.

I'm not sure if this makes sense.  Of course you should not vote for one just because the other fucks up.

I have to vote, right?  There are 2 competitors for the spot, and one of them is so unacceptable that he should be in jail.  That's why I'm voting for McCain, and doing everything I can to shit on the democrat pogue.

It's because of people like you that I became a member of the Libertarian Party.

You vote based on the words or views of other voters?
Do you support Ron Paul?

[spunkloaf]

We've always had doubts about McCain.  On the other hand, we are absolutely certain about Obama.  I wouldn't vote for Obama if McCain dangled one of Michael Jackson's kids from a balcony.

I'm not sure if this makes sense.  Of course you should not vote for one just because the other fucks up.

I have to vote, right?  There are 2 competitors for the spot, and one of them is so unacceptable that he should be in jail.  That's why I'm voting for McCain, and doing everything I can to shit on the democrat pogue.

It's because of people like you that I became a member of the Libertarian Party.

You vote based on the words or views of other voters?
Do you support Ron Paul?

I am seriously considering voting for Paul.

[Wowster]

We've always had doubts about McCain.  On the other hand, we are absolutely certain about Obama.  I wouldn't vote for Obama if McCain dangled one of Michael Jackson's kids from a balcony.

I'm not sure if this makes sense.  Of course you should not vote for one just because the other fucks up.

I have to vote, right?  There are 2 competitors for the spot, and one of them is so unacceptable that he should be in jail.  That's why I'm voting for McCain, and doing everything I can to shit on the democrat pogue.

It's because of people like you that I became a member of the Libertarian Party.

You vote based on the words or views of other voters?
Do you support Ron Paul?

I am seriously considering voting for Paul.

Why?