Business Cool Toward McCain’s Health Coverage Plan

[bladimz]

Well, aren't we just the cause of all the world's problems 

MeatMop.

No, not at all. Our foreign policies have been outrageously successful & popular. Beyond our wildest imagination. Right.

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

Yes ... that's the reason we are so "loved" by the rest of the world right now after 8 years of dear leaders fuckups.

[MeatMop]

Who had the authority to grant us permission to remain on Saudi territory?  The internationally recognized Saudi government...or Osama bin Laden?

As I recall, the Saudis were misled by the United States, which told them the Iraqi army was preparing to invade their country.

Well, aren't we just the cause of all the world's problems 
MeatMop.

Is that what I said?

The italics indicates sarcasm.

Either your post was meant to undermine the Saudi Government's authority in granting us permission to stay (and indirectly rationalize OBL's actions)...or it was irrelevant as to whether or not OBL had the moral authority to do what he did.

I interpreted the former and lumped you into the "Ward Churchill," San Francisco "Blame America First" crowd (and gunit_sangh and bill and spunkie).  I guess after lumping you with that group I was just expanding your (assumed) damnation of America to a global scale...

Further- I had not heard we had misled the Saudi's.  I don't assume this to be public knowledge, although I assume it took place on a relatively minor scale compared with the level of deception it took to get us involved in other wars throughout history.  So again I lumped you in with the twoofer crowd (and gunit_sangh and bill and spunkie) and figured you thought we completely fabricated this crRRRrrrRAYZEE notion that Saddam just might not stop with Kuwait with absolutely no shred of evidence or reason. 

So if I blew your recollection out of proportion when I interpreted it, then I apologize...and I should probably apologize for lumping you in with the other lunatics.

So what did you mean?

MeatMop.

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

pappa bush produced doctored satellite photos of Iraqi forces gathering near Saudia Arabia's border to convince them to let US forces use their air base. In the over-all scheme of things it was minor .. but it was still a lie.

[Peter1469]

And to get back to the topic of the thread- I don't like McCain's health care plan either.

I do like the idea of taking the burden for providing health care off employers.  I think that individuals should purchase their own care.  A free market solution will arise to create pools of similar people to obtain the bulk discount rates.  There should be a way to use pre-tax money to purchase the insurance.  And the government can provide insurance for those who are out of work.

But insurance should only cover emergencies and unexpected events-- like car insurance.  We should have health savings accounts to use for routine medical care- again a pre-tax deduction.  But with no penalty for not using it all by the end of the year like the current plan. 

[Gunit Hussein Sangh]

hsa's are great if you have the income to salt away in it. What do you do if you have more month than money 

[pittypat65]

I liked his plan better than obamas. obama never did say what the fine would be for parents who did not have health insurance for their kids.  Talk about socialism. 

[Peter1469]

hsa's are great if you have the income to salt away in it. What do you do if you have more month than money 

Then you jump to the government plan that I spoke of. 

[pittypat65]

A basic sliding scale healthcare program based on your income could be done. I liked what mcCain said about walk in clinics etc. I believe that healthcare should be up to the states voters. Healthcare costs are way out of control. Its ridiculous. My grandaughter's are right now at over $150,000. She dropped out of college a few months before the accident so was dropped from her parents plan. She had to go on medicaid and the county paid for her care. But that was because she was in an accident and taken to UMC. A regular person with health problems has a hard time getting care if they have pre existing conditions or can't afford the high premiums. I truly believe we have a moral responsibilty to see that we all have access to basic healthcare.

[Vermouth]

I like Peter's idea of separating emergency and maintenance healthcare ... it makes a lot of sense.

I hate the currently designed Heath Savings Accounts - you only qualify if you have high-deductible insurance. If you have insurance with a deductible of less than $1000, a healthcare flexible spending account, or have no insurance at all, you are not allowed to open an HSA. What's the point of that?

I also hate Healthcare Flexible Spending Accounts - you lose what you save for health expenses if you don't use it ... how in the world are you supposed to know a year ahead of time what your family's health expenses are going to be for the year?

Pittypat, how did your granddaughter qualify for Medicaid if her parents have income?

[Peter1469]

hsa's are great if you have the income to salt away in it. What do you do if you have more month than money 

I have said before that the government should assist those who cannot afford health care.  What I don't want to see is people who can afford health care being forced to accept inferior one-size fits all health care. 

[pittypat65]

I like Peter's idea of separating emergency and maintenance healthcare ... it makes a lot of sense.

I hate the currently designed Heath Savings Accounts - you only qualify if you have high-deductible insurance. If you have insurance with a deductible of less than $1000, a healthcare flexible spending account, or have no insurance at all, you are not allowed to open an HSA. What's the point of that?

I also hate Healthcare Flexible Spending Accounts - you lose what you save for health expenses if you don't use it ... how in the world are you supposed to know a year ahead of time what your family's health expenses are going to be for the year?

Pittypat, how did your granddaughter qualify for Medicaid if her parents have income?

She was 18 years old and living in her own apartment. When I lived in Houston they had the Harris Country gold card system. This healthcare system was based on a sliding scale. People had access to the best care although there were waiting lists, long lines for appointments. I think the idea of small businesses banding together to create a large group plan. My son in law has been with UPS for about 17 years and they have a great plan. No deductibles no co payments drugs encluded. Extremely inexpensive. My grandaughter is back home now, lost her apartment. We paid her rent for a couple of months $800. per month plus utilities for a one bedroom apt.  She intends to restart school this spring. I hope and pray she has learned her lesson. Her medicaid expires the end of Oct. as she expects to be released from her doctor. She will get a little from Matt's parents auto insurance but they carried only the minimum for the state. No way will we or she ever sue Matt's family, they have suffered enough. I hear the driver of the semi who was treated and released at the scene has obtained an attorney and is doing just that. He is  an illegal from mexico.  Its very sad.

[pittypat65]

My daughter is a registered nurse in  the emergency room and her husband has been with UPS over 17 years. They are both hard workers. They are not wealthy. 

[Vermouth]

My daughter is a registered nurse in  the emergency room and her husband has been with UPS over 17 years. They are both hard workers. They are not wealthy. 

I see. I thought that you had to use up your savings before you could qualify for Medicaid ... guess I've just heard the horror stories.

[pittypat65]

My daughter is a registered nurse in  the emergency room and her husband has been with UPS over 17 years. They are both hard workers. They are not wealthy. 

I see. I thought that you had to use up your savings before you could qualify for Medicaid ... guess I've just heard the horror stories.

She had no savings and she is of legal age so her parents are not responsible for her anymore. My daughter says the ER is full all the time, most are not insured. We desparatly need a healthcare system for those who cannot afford or have pre existing conditions and cannot get healthcare insurance. This would keep heallthcare prices down and our healthcare premiums would be less. Do we realize how much medicaid costs the taxpayers? Look at my grandaughter's bill for one. Illegal immigrants receive the same healthcare as she did, they pay nothing, their parents paid nothing into our system, but they receive care just like a citizen of this country.