Cold War II-Buchanan

[OswaldTheOsprey]

In the midst of all of the Trotskyite neocon inspired hysteria over the Russia=Georgia situation, Pat Buchanan weighs in with yet another trenchant analysis. Who started Cold War II he asks? From VDARE.com.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.asp?url=http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/080818_coldwar.htm

[Peter1469]

I would say that both sides were belligerent.  The Georgians overestimated the US’s ability to protect them.  The Russians were spot-on with the strategic inability of the US to respond.  As is typical, no side in human conflict is sin-free. 

[OswaldTheOsprey]

I would say that both sides were belligerent.  The Georgians overestimated the US’s ability to protect them.  The Russians were spot-on with the strategic inability of the US to respond.  As is typical, no side in human conflict is sin-free. 

War is the ultimate source of sin.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Peter1469]

I would say that both sides were belligerent.  The Georgians overestimated the US’s ability to protect them.  The Russians were spot-on with the strategic inability of the US to respond.  As is typical, no side in human conflict is sin-free. 

War is the ultimate source of sin.

OswaldTheOsprey

No, that would be pride. 

[OswaldTheOsprey]

I would say that both sides were belligerent.  The Georgians overestimated the US’s ability to protect them.  The Russians were spot-on with the strategic inability of the US to respond.  As is typical, no side in human conflict is sin-free. 

War is the ultimate source of sin.

OswaldTheOsprey

No, that would be pride. 

War comes out of pride as do many sins. I stand corrected.

OswaldTheOsprey

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

you are both behaving like preening prom queens.  cease with the moral relativism.  buchanan is a bigoted isolationist and russia is a thug regime that has invaded a sovereign nation while threatening another with nuclear attack.

[Peter1469]

Hey, Bones, what were we talking about?  Oh yes; it was pride... 

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

if you're going to talk about it, then have a little.

[OswaldTheOsprey]

you are both behaving like preening prom queens.  cease with the moral relativism.  buchanan is a bigoted isolationist and russia is a thug regime that has invaded a sovereign nation while threatening another with nuclear attack.

Buchanan is a true Americanist who opposes the internationalist establishment. Russia looks out for Russia's interests as it should.

OswaldTheOsprey

[The Bare Knuckled Pundit]

you are both behaving like preening prom queens.  cease with the moral relativism.  buchanan is a bigoted isolationist and russia is a thug regime that has invaded a sovereign nation while threatening another with nuclear attack.

Buchanan believes American blood and treasure should be spent solely for American interests. While he is admittedly isolationistic at times, I would suggest that after our lengthy and costly engagement in Iraq there are an increasing number of Americans that share his point of view. 

I would also add that Buchanan understands the difference between promoting American ideals and defending its strategic interests. Regrettably, both the general public as well as activists and commentators internationally and domestically often fail to recognize the distinction between the two.

Should we promote democracy internationally? Of course. Should we do it by force of arms? In some instances, yes; in others, no. It is a case-by-case call that should be based primarily on America's strategic interests; not its' emotional attachment to a state or sentimentality.

[OswaldTheOsprey]

you are both behaving like preening prom queens.  cease with the moral relativism.  buchanan is a bigoted isolationist and russia is a thug regime that has invaded a sovereign nation while threatening another with nuclear attack.

Buchanan believes American blood and treasure should be spent solely for American interests. While he is admittedly isolationistic at times, I would suggest that after our lengthy and costly engagement in Iraq there are an increasing number of Americans that share his point of view. 

I would also add that Buchanan understands the difference between promoting American ideals and defending its strategic interests. Regrettably, both the general public as well as activists and commentators internationally and domestically often fail to recognize the distinction between the two.

Very good analysis. Buchanan does recognize what many do not.

OswaldTheOsprey

[Peter1469]

Here is an interesting take:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-is-forgetting-what.html

[OswaldTheOsprey]

Here is an interesting take by Leon Hadar. It is from Buchanan's own fortnightly journal of opinion, The American Conservative.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://amconmag.com/article/2008/aug/25/00015/

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

no one is advocating military action with regard to the russians in georgia.  rather i am saying let us not ignore this and go about business as usual with the russians.  let us not cower quietly in the corner.  let us not equate ourselves with the russians in some academic/emotional massage of moral relativism.  let us use this to clearly see this regime for what it is and take those steps necessary to avoid the present day european quandary in our future.  yes, let us do what we can, when we can, where we can, to the extent that we can to further and support democracy, liberty and freedom.  finally, when there is a serious topic for discussion on the table, let us avoid verbal spooning.

[OswaldTheOsprey]

no one is advocating military action with regard to the russians in georgia.  rather i am saying let us not ignore this and go about business as usual with the russians.  let us not cower quietly in the corner.  let us not equate ourselves with the russians in some academic/emotional massage of moral relativism.  let us use this to clearly see this regime for what it is and take those steps necessary to avoid the present day european quandary in our future.  yes, let us do what we can, when we can, where we can, to the extent that we can to further and support democracy, liberty and freedom.  finally, when there is a serious topic for discussion on the table, let us avoid verbal spooning.

Let's also avoid hysteria.

OswaldTheOsprey