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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008, 12:57:12 PM »

You have provided the argument of the state with separatists and the supporters of the status quo.



I provided the argument for the separatists and their supporters. 

We are talking about future separatists of course. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2008, 01:25:56 PM »

Interesting!
The Ruskies do not want Americans to be protected from missile attacks and should be punished for doing so?
When will Russia launch their nuclear warhead ICBMs?
Russia is trying to jack up the cost of oil again!
It's all about oil! 

All i know is this is shapping up to be quite a sticky wicket as the thought plickens.


It is payback for the West supporting Kosovo independence.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander.  The West (read US) doesn’t have spare ground forces to truly push the issue with the neo-Soviets.  I say “read US” since the rest of the West doesn’t have the moral courage to take a stand. 
I see your point.
It's hard to imagine someone wanting to be part of a Communist regime but if that's all these people know.........
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2008, 01:32:16 PM »

It appears they aren't unaffiliated loons over at infowars. They're America-hating loons who sympathize with authoritarian regimes and regurgitate their propaganda. I guess this stuff makes Lookout feel smart. Lookout, the Poland missile deal is old news. Is this really the first time you've heard about it?   

No...It is new news because now Russia has gone public with threatening Poland with a nuclear strike. Perhaps you should read the full article before making statements?

Yes, now it's public. Before I didn't realize I was privy to all this classified info. Well now that you guys know... Cheesy Cheesy

Lookout, you're a tool.
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2008, 01:35:43 PM »


The Europeans will not do anything for two reasons: 1. they rely on Russian oil and natural gas and 2. they are pussies.

Grump: my Kosovo explanation may be incomplete, but if you assert that it is also incorrect why not correct it?  To remind you Serbia is supported by Russia.  Kosovo was supported by the West.  When the West supported Kosovar independence Russia warned that it would set precedence.  It has: if Kosovo can succeed from Serbia why can’t these breakaway sections leave Georgia?  If the American Southwest wants to join Mexico, once the majority living there are Mexican citizens, what will the US government say? 


Few Americans want to confront the increasingly likelihood of separatism here.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2008, 02:46:02 PM »

It appears they aren't unaffiliated loons over at infowars. They're America-hating loons who sympathize with authoritarian regimes and regurgitate their propaganda. I guess this stuff makes Lookout feel smart. Lookout, the Poland missile deal is old news. Is this really the first time you've heard about it?   

No...It is new news because now Russia has gone public with threatening Poland with a nuclear strike. Perhaps you should read the full article before making statements?

Yes, now it's public. Before I didn't realize I was privy to all this classified info. Well now that you guys know... Cheesy Cheesy

Lookout, you're a tool.

Whatever, You see, the day before yesterday Poland and the US signed the deal and made it official. Before it was only in the talking stage, so that does make a difference. Talk is cheap but a signed contract holds water. That is why Russia has said publically it will use nuclear weapons against poland...and somehow you knew all this before the day before yesterday??? Dumbass!!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2008, 02:52:51 PM »

It appears they aren't unaffiliated loons over at infowars. They're America-hating loons who sympathize with authoritarian regimes and regurgitate their propaganda. I guess this stuff makes Lookout feel smart. Lookout, the Poland missile deal is old news. Is this really the first time you've heard about it?   

No...It is new news because now Russia has gone public with threatening Poland with a nuclear strike. Perhaps you should read the full article before making statements?

Yes, now it's public. Before I didn't realize I was privy to all this classified info. Well now that you guys know... Cheesy Cheesy

Lookout, you're a tool.

Whatever, You see, the day before yesterday Poland and the US signed the deal and made it official. Before it was only in the talking stage, so that does make a difference. Talk is cheap but a signed contract holds water. That is why Russia has said publically it will use nuclear weapons against poland...and somehow you knew all this before the day before yesterday??? Dumbass!!!

Russia has said no such thing, tool.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2008, 02:54:58 PM »

It appears they aren't unaffiliated loons over at infowars. They're America-hating loons who sympathize with authoritarian regimes and regurgitate their propaganda. I guess this stuff makes Lookout feel smart. Lookout, the Poland missile deal is old news. Is this really the first time you've heard about it?   

No...It is new news because now Russia has gone public with threatening Poland with a nuclear strike. Perhaps you should read the full article before making statements?

Yes, now it's public. Before I didn't realize I was privy to all this classified info. Well now that you guys know... Cheesy Cheesy

Lookout, you're a tool.

Whatever, You see, the day before yesterday Poland and the US signed the deal and made it official. Before it was only in the talking stage, so that does make a difference. Talk is cheap but a signed contract holds water. That is why Russia has said publically it will use nuclear weapons against poland...and somehow you knew all this before the day before yesterday??? Dumbass!!!

Russia has said no such thing, tool.

PLANT!!!
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2008, 03:00:18 PM »

It appears they aren't unaffiliated loons over at infowars. They're America-hating loons who sympathize with authoritarian regimes and regurgitate their propaganda. I guess this stuff makes Lookout feel smart. Lookout, the Poland missile deal is old news. Is this really the first time you've heard about it?   

No...It is new news because now Russia has gone public with threatening Poland with a nuclear strike. Perhaps you should read the full article before making statements?

Yes, now it's public. Before I didn't realize I was privy to all this classified info. Well now that you guys know... Cheesy Cheesy

Lookout, you're a tool.

Whatever, You see, the day before yesterday Poland and the US signed the deal and made it official. Before it was only in the talking stage, so that does make a difference. Talk is cheap but a signed contract holds water. That is why Russia has said publically it will use nuclear weapons against poland...and somehow you knew all this before the day before yesterday??? Dumbass!!!

Russia has said no such thing, tool.

Since you don't trust anything except your brainwashing mainstream media, here you go. It doesn't get anymore mainstream than this. Now that I have rubbed your nose in it several times will you just shut up and or go away?

Russia: Poland risks attack due to U.S. missiles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430/

Russia: Poland risks attack due to U.S. missiles
Infuriated Moscow issues threat in reaction to deal on interceptor base
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updated 2:04 p.m. CT, Fri., Aug. 15, 2008
WARSAW, Poland - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposed the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn was the strongest threat that Russia issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations. 

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States said was aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, felt it was aimed at Russia's missile force.

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"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Poland: Russia can inspect
Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski was quoted Friday by the Polish news agency PAP as saying that Poland was open to Russian inspections because it wanted to give Moscow "tangible proof" that the planned base was not directed against Russia.

U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia.

Russian forces went deep into Georgia in the fighting, raising wide concerns that Russia could be seeking to occupy parts of its small, pro-U.S. neighbor, which has vigorously lobbied to join NATO, or even to force its government to collapse.

"I think the Russian behavior over the last several days is generally concerning not only to the United States but to all of our European allies," said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman, when asked about Russian threats against Poland as a result of the missile defense agreement.


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He also suggested that earlier U.S. offers for broad cooperation with Moscow on the missile defense program may be reevaluated considering the latest developments.

Patriot missiles part of deal
Under the agreement that Warsaw and Washington reached Thursday, Poland would accept an American missile interceptor base.

Washington said the planned system, which was not yet operational, was needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed "rogue states" like Iran.

In an interview on Poland's news channel TVN24, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the United States agreed to help augment Poland's defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.

He said the deal also includes a "mutual commitment" between the two nations to come to each other's assistance "in case of trouble."

That clause appeared to be a direct reference to Russia.

Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia's offensive in Georgia. In past days, Polish leaders said that fighting justified Poland's demands that it get additional security guarantees from Washington in exchange for allowing the anti-missile base on its soil.

"Simply the existence of this installation increases Poland's security," Polish President Lech Kaczynski said Friday.
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2008, 03:12:12 PM »

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At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Russia has been blustering about this for quite a while now, tool. Do you know what reiterate means? If you would look at something other than infowars once in a while you might have known.   Grin Grin

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He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."


Ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! Oh my! Was this the scary threat?

Lookout, you're a tool.
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2008, 03:48:38 PM »

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At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Russia has been blustering about this for quite a while now, tool. Do you know what reiterate means? If you would look at something other than infowars once in a while you might have known.   Grin Grin

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He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."


Ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! Oh my! Was this the scary threat?

Lookout, you're a tool.

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2008, 04:25:35 PM »

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At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Russia has been blustering about this for quite a while now, tool. Do you know what reiterate means? If you would look at something other than infowars once in a while you might have known.   Grin Grin

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He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."


Ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! Oh my! Was this the scary threat?

Lookout, you're a tool.

And you are a plant.
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2008, 04:35:50 PM »

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At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Russia has been blustering about this for quite a while now, tool. Do you know what reiterate means? If you would look at something other than infowars once in a while you might have known.   Grin Grin

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He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."


Ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! Oh my! Was this the scary threat?

Lookout, you're a tool.

And you are a plant.

I work for the CIA.  Wink Or do I work for the Organisation armée secrète? I mean, what's with the Le Pen avatar?
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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2008, 04:45:40 PM »

And make no mistake about it, Lookout. We have had our eye on you. I waited patiently at Politirant for you to show up. We knew you would come. We have informants everywhere.
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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2008, 04:59:50 PM »

And make no mistake about it, Lookout. We have had our eye on you. I waited patiently at Politirant for you to show up. We knew you would come. We have informants everywhere.

Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah...You remind me of Charlie Browns teacher. Hey is that a growth you have there? Oh, my mistake, its jsut a parot talking out of the side of your neck.
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2008, 05:21:30 PM »

And make no mistake about it, Lookout. We have had our eye on you. I waited patiently at Politirant for you to show up. We knew you would come. We have informants everywhere.

Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah...You remind me of Charlie Browns teacher. Hey is that a growth you have there? Oh, my mistake, its jsut a parot talking out of the side of your neck.

Please use spell check.
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