Question for pittypat.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

I believe that we need a national healthcare plan.  A plan that covers everyone. If those who can afford it want a private plan then let em have at it. Maybe there should be a vote of the people?

maybe there should be a "vote of the people" to seize your house and turn it into a community recreation center because after all recreation is a right.

[SDML]

Good point.

Eminent domain is a right of the gov.

[Peter1469]

How can this happen in Canada’s superior health care system?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080505.wpregnant05/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home

More than 100 Canadian women with high-risk pregnancies have been sent to United States hospitals over the past year – in what a doctors' group attributes to the lack of a national birthing plan. 

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“Neonatologists are very stretched right now,” Dr. Lalonde said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. “We're so stretched, it's kind of dangerous.”

I guess that Canada didn’t budget for these women….   

[scarlett]

How can this happen in Canada’s superior health care system?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080505.wpregnant05/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home

More than 100 Canadian women with high-risk pregnancies have been sent to United States hospitals over the past year – in what a doctors' group attributes to the lack of a national birthing plan. 

***

“Neonatologists are very stretched right now,” Dr. Lalonde said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. “We're so stretched, it's kind of dangerous.”

I guess that Canada didn’t budget for these women….   

the infant death rate is higher in the US than in Canada.

[scarlett]

Peter, don't believe everything you read. Things must be taken in context. Canada's healthcare is great. I have experienced boyh systems and canada is better.  At least one can get healthcare there. We are the only industrial civilized country in the world without some kind of national healthcare. Those with healthcare don't realize that they are just a few steps away with none in this country. Think about it. I have excellent healthcare but I am very concerned for those who do not. So don;t knock countries who at least give a shit for the less fortunate. Unlike many on this board.   

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

How can this happen in Canada’s superior health care system?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080505.wpregnant05/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home

More than 100 Canadian women with high-risk pregnancies have been sent to United States hospitals over the past year – in what a doctors' group attributes to the lack of a national birthing plan. 

***

“Neonatologists are very stretched right now,” Dr. Lalonde said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. “We're so stretched, it's kind of dangerous.”

I guess that Canada didn’t budget for these women….   

the infant death rate is higher in the US than in Canada.

This is due partly to the much larger Black population in the US.

[scarlett]

in canada it makes no difference what race you are. you get healthcare. minorities would not have higher rates if there was a national healthcare system. I think its disgraceful that a mighty, wealthy country such as the USA can, but won't support a national healthcare system.  This is my compassionate side speaking. This country would save money with a heallthcare system.

[they call me MR. GRUMPY god damn it!]

Peter, don't believe everything you read. Things must be taken in context. Canada's healthcare is great. I have experienced boyh systems and canada is better.  At least one can get healthcare there. We are the only industrial civilized country in the world without some kind of national healthcare. Those with healthcare don't realize that they are just a few steps away with none in this country. Think about it. I have excellent healthcare but I am very concerned for those who do not. So don;t knock countries who at least give a shit for the less fortunate. Unlike many on this board.   

give more than a shit, give more than words, give your money!

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

in canada it makes no difference what race you are. you get healthcare. minorities would not have higher rates if there was a national healthcare system. I think its disgraceful that a mighty, wealthy country such as the USA can, but won't support a national healthcare system.  This is my compassionate side speaking. This country would save money with a heallthcare system.

Pitty, the causes of higher fatality rates are partly if not entirely genetic.

[scarlett]

So you say that blacks are genically predisposed to die younger than whites? Do you have any data on that theory?  Preventive healthcare makes no difference?

[Mr. Dirlewanger]

So you say that blacks are genically predisposed to die younger than whites? Do you have any data on that theory?  Preventive healthcare makes no difference?

No, I said that Black infants have a greater chance of dying but since you mention it Blacks do in fact have a greater genetic predisposition to heart disease than other races. They also run faster and jump higher if you haven't noticed. 

I did not say that preventive healthcare makes no difference, however, one glance at the chart I provided should quickly lead you to conclude that perhaps you are putting way too much emphasis on healthcare and too little on genes?

[Peter1469]

Infant mortality rates are higher in the US because of our definition of a live birth.  Other countries simply do not count babies as live births if they don’t have much chance to live.  The US has superior technology so we can give many more babies a chance to survive where other countries cannot. 

If there are going to be comparisons between countries, it would be interesting to see the exact same standards used in the comparison.   

[Peter1469]

Peter, don't believe everything you read. Things must be taken in context. Canada's healthcare is great. I have experienced boyh systems and canada is better.  At least one can get healthcare there. We are the only industrial civilized country in the world without some kind of national healthcare. Those with healthcare don't realize that they are just a few steps away with none in this country. Think about it. I have excellent healthcare but I am very concerned for those who do not. So don;t knock countries who at least give a shit for the less fortunate. Unlike many on this board.   

I don't believe everything I read.  Perhaps you have access to some statistics that disprove those in the article that I linked to.  Did those 100 mothers not exist?  I do not discount that the article could be propaganda.  But simply asserting that it didn’t happen isn’t enough. 

I too am very concerned for people who do not have adequate health care.  However, I fear that a government run system in the US will not provide that healthcare. 

[scarlett]

I's love to campare those numbers with the babies who have died in this country due to inadequate healthcare.

[scarlett]

Peter, don't believe everything you read. Things must be taken in context. Canada's healthcare is great. I have experienced boyh systems and canada is better.  At least one can get healthcare there. We are the only industrial civilized country in the world without some kind of national healthcare. Those with healthcare don't realize that they are just a few steps away with none in this country. Think about it. I have excellent healthcare but I am very concerned for those who do not. So don;t knock countries who at least give a shit for the less fortunate. Unlike many on this board.   

give more than a shit, give more than words, give your money!

I give money to St. Judes every month, it comes out automatically from my credit card. I give all i can to help those less fortunate than i am.