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« on: August 20, 2008, 09:24:34 AM »

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Home | Join Us | About | State Chapters | Candidates | Blog DC City Council Ignores Supreme Court Gun Ruling
Posted by aaron on 28 Jul 2008 6:54 pm. Filed under Issues , News.
According to Gun Owners of America, “In open defiance of the Supreme Court’s decision striking down the Washington D.C. gun control law, the City Council passed an ‘emergency’ law that keeps in place almost all of the law that was ruled unconstitutional. Even Dick Heller, who brought the case against Washington’s gun
ban, was rejected when he tried to register his handgun because any ‘bottom loading’ firearm is a ‘machine gun’ according to the D.C. police.”

The message continues, “According to Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has the authority and responsibility to govern the District. It can simply repeal the District’s onerous gun law. Not surprisingly, however, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has no intention of allowing the D.C. gun ban repeal legislation to come to the floor, even though it is cosponsored by more than half of the members of Congress.”


“To free the bill from the Speaker’s death grip, Representative Mark Souder (R-IN) has filed a discharge petition to bring the bill directly to the floor. Rep. Souder needs 218 cosigners for the petition to be successful. There are currently 109 signers. There are not many days left in this legislative session, so it is vital that the discharge petition moves quickly. Please contact your representative and urge him or her to support the repeal of the D.C. gun ban and to sign the Souder discharge petition. You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to send your Representatives a pre-written message on this issue.”

In related news, Dick Heller, et al., filed a complaint (For Declaratory Judgment, Injunctive Relief, and Writ of Mandamus) against the city today to force them to comply with the US Supreme Court ruling in the District of Columbia v. Heller and to protect our individual rights such as the right to defend ourselves in our own homes. Mr. Heller is an RLC member who recently spoke to the first meeting of the Republican Liberty Caucus of DC.

Or, from the real reliable news source...

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4047

D.C. City Council Still Trying to Shred Second Amendment

Gregory D. Lee
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August 19, 2008

After the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the District of Columbia’s ban on firearms was unconstitutional, the City Council approved new firearms legislation that allows residents to apply for handgun permits. This is the normal course of business a governmental body takes when the Supreme Court determines whatever it was doing was unconstitutional. That is unless it’s the D.C. City Council that’s acting unconstitutional.

The Associated Press headline was “D.C. will accept gun-permit applications.” But the real headline should have been, “D.C. defies Supreme Court ruling on handguns.” That’s because the City Council refuses to follow the ruling of the court concerning the lawful possession and use of handguns within its city limits.

The Court made it clear that the possession of a handgun for lawful purposes is constitutional - and a citizen’s right is violated if the government requires him to dismantle the weapon. The new gun possession legislation the childish D.C. City Council unanimously passed does allow the possession of a handgun or other lawful weapon like a rifle or shotgun. But a condition of the permit to possess a weapon is that the firearm be kept unloaded, disassembled or equipped with a trigger lock unless there is a “reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm” in the home.

One man’s “reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm” is another man’s capitulation. By virtue of FBI murder statistics showing D.C. is a literal shooting gallery, a reasonable man would perceive he is in constant threat of immediate harm while living there.

 
 
 
But I digress. The City Council is hell bent on defying the Supreme Court and doing whatever it can to deny its residents the constitutional right to own and possess a firearm in their abodes for self-protection. D.C. City Council member Phil Mendleson, who helped write the bill said, “This is not perfect legislation. The first step is what we have before us today so that we maintain important provisions in our gun registration law while we continue (to) look at how we can further refine our gun registration law.”

Translation: We’re going to stall, postpone and tweak this bill for as long as possible, and hopefully nobody will notice that we are defying the U.S. Supreme Court.

In the majority opinion of the Court, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote: “The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment . . . Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.” What part of “unconstitutional” doesn’t the D.C. City Council understand? Did anyone read the Court’s opinion, or are they being openly defiant? Either way, it’s about time the Congress spanked the City Council and took away its self-governance because it has once again proven itself incapable of self-rule.

While they were at it, the City Council prohibited the possession of a “machine gun.” That sounds reasonable, but in typical D.C. fashion, the Council incorrectly defined what a machine gun is. The council defined a machine gun as a weapon that shoots at least 12 rounds without reloading. That’s not a machine gun, that’s a semi-automatic weapon with a high-capacity magazine. All they had to do was call the national headquarters of the NRA, which is in their city, and someone there would have been glad to tell them exactly what a machine gun is. They might even show them one. But, like most liberals, they just make this stuff up as they go along.

If I lived in the District of Columbia and was inclined to possess a firearm for home protection, I wouldn’t be too concerned about abiding by the provisions of the city’s permit mandating that I unload and dismantle my firearm. The U.S. Supreme Court has already decided those provisions of the permit are unconstitutional. So, it’s a no brainer my conviction would be reversed on appeal. The City Council has actually written an ordinance that it knew beforehand was clearly unconstitutional. Only corrupt or dishonest politicians knowingly violate the U.S. Constitution, and then pat themselves on the back for making more trouble for the citizens whose rights they have violated.

I’d love to see U.S. marshals arrest the D.C. City Council members and bring them to the Supreme Court before Justice Scalia, who would remand them into custody and hold them in contempt until they authored a city ordinance that complied with the Constitution.

Well, I can dream, can’t I?
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 08:03:24 PM »

Of course the 2nd Amendment grants rights. 

In United States v. Cruikshank, the Court held, among other things, that the Second Amendment’s rights were only between the national government and the people; not the states.  It is a strange result considering that the 14th Amendment was passed 9 years prior. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 08:06:38 PM »

regardless it appears that they are going back to court in dc.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 08:10:16 PM »

Yes they are and will be for the next 2-3 decades. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 08:25:23 PM »

Yes they are and will be for the next 2-3 decades. 

I agree that things are out of control in some areas and I don't know what the answer is but destroying the 2nd amendment like Obamanation wants to di is NOT the answer, that I am sure of.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 08:26:44 PM »

Yes they are and will be for the next 2-3 decades. 

I agree that things are out of control in some areas and I don't know what the answer is but destroying the 2nd amendment like Obamanation wants to di is NOT the answer, that I am sure of.

The 2nd Amendment will not be destroyed even if the State determines to destroy it.  The people will not stand for it.  Stand your post Watchout!
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 08:31:32 PM »

Yes they are and will be for the next 2-3 decades. 

I agree that things are out of control in some areas and I don't know what the answer is but destroying the 2nd amendment like Obamanation wants to di is NOT the answer, that I am sure of.

The 2nd Amendment will not be destroyed even if the State determines to destroy it.  The people will not stand for it.  Stand your post Watchout!

I really don't believe that American citizens have the back bone some think they do. I think we have turned into a bunch of lazy, fat, selfish, feerful slobs. Sure, you might get a few handfuls of gung ho militias and so on but for the most part I think they can do anything they want at this point in the game. Between corperate media brainwashing and commercial mind control and just plain stupidity and laziness,,, I am afraid we have already lost the war. We will win a few fights especially in my neighborhood but for the most part, its already a done deal!
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 08:41:16 PM »

99% of the people in inner city America exercises their “second amendment rights” despite the many laws they are violating.  OK, bad joke. 
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