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Offline spunkloaf

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Educational scam
« on: November 10, 2011, 01:54:55 PM »
I'm posting some quotes lifted off of Facebook from my cousin.  Intelligent debate is in the blood I guess.

"This generation was misled to beleive that if you went to college and earned a degree you would earn a lot of money. They were led to believe that anyone who works at a job with a uniform, or requires a bit of sweat were failures. They were told that student loans are an investment in their future. They earned the degrees in record numbers, and took out record amounts of student loans. The previous generation now tells them they never told them a degree would make them richer and they should just shut up and take the jobs they earned the degrees and debts to avoid. The same jobs they were conditioned to believe would make them failures. And it is their fault.

"consider this. 1968-69 (when our parents would have gone to college (plus or minus a couple of years)) tuition at the U of M was $385/semester. Federal Minimum wage was 1.25/hr. A college kid needed to work about 7 hours/week to pay for tuition. 2011 tuition at U of M was $12K/semester. Federal minimum wage is 7.25/hr. A college kid needs to work 35 hours to pay for tuition."

I'm sickened by the amount of debt I owe, so much that I refuse to pay it.  I have nothing to show for it.  the school charged me way too much for something I never even completed, and now the banks are taking my tax refunds from me.

My own fault.  I knew it wasn't going to work.  but I trusted it.  I knew that going to school would be way too easy to make that much money, and that it logically didn't work.  but they all told me that it would work out.  Now nobody is around to help me figure a way out of it, not even my parents can help.
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Offline GRUMPY

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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 02:56:40 PM »
well if intelligent debate is in the blood then it is apparent that both you and your cousin are in dire need of a transfusion.....so life has no guarantees, majoring in underwater basket weaving may not merit a hefty salary or any at all, sometimes one has to work for what they want and your cousin exhibits no sense of shame in sharing his intentions to screw the taxpayers.....so just who is scamming who in this occupy my momma's basement tragedy.....
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 02:58:52 PM »
It is a scam. Our parents told us all we had to do was go to college and we'd have the American Dream. But college got more and more expensive and then we ended up owing more money then  we could ever earn while their generation got rich off us and our trust. Student loan interest rates should be capped, it is usury which is a crime in the Bible this crew is so happy to quote.
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 03:08:24 PM »
Quote from: GRUMPY on November 10, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
well if intelligent debate is in the blood then it is apparent that both you and your cousin are in dire need of a transfusion.....so life has no guarantees, majoring in underwater basket weaving may not merit a hefty salary or any at all, sometimes one has to work for what they want and your cousin exhibits no sense of shame in sharing his intentions to screw the taxpayers.....so just who is scamming who in this occupy my momma's basement tragedy.....

:roflmao: This is vintage Grumpy - comedy gold  :D :D :D

 I have no doubt Spunk can provide a worthy comeback  ;)
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 03:11:59 PM by Conley »
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 03:22:19 PM »
Quote from: jgreer on November 10, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
It is a scam. Our parents told us all we had to do was go to college and we'd have the American Dream. But college got more and more expensive and then we ended up owing more money then  we could ever earn while their generation got rich off us and our trust. Student loan interest rates should be capped, it is usury which is a crime in the Bible this crew is so happy to quote.
and this ladies and gentlemen is why i support denying the vote to anyone who has not worked within the private sector full time, for at least five years, and is 30 years of age....the exception being military personnel....so jgeer your beef is really with your parents, grab some of your poor put upon brethren and occupy their home if you aren't already....say maybe tonight over dinner you could explain to them how they have totally screwed you and obviously themselves as well...
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 03:33:07 PM »
Quote from: GRUMPY on November 10, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: jgreer on November 10, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
It is a scam. Our parents told us all we had to do was go to college and we'd have the American Dream. But college got more and more expensive and then we ended up owing more money then  we could ever earn while their generation got rich off us and our trust. Student loan interest rates should be capped, it is usury which is a crime in the Bible this crew is so happy to quote.
and this ladies and gentlemen is why i support denying the vote to anyone who has not worked within the private sector full time, for at least five years, and is 30 years of age....the exception being military personnel....so jgeer your beef is really with your parents, grab some of your poor put upon brethren and occupy their home if you aren't already....say maybe tonight over dinner you could explain to them how they have totally screwed you and obviously themselves as well...

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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 03:35:28 PM »
Quote from: jgreer on November 10, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
It is a scam. Our parents told us all we had to do was go to college and we'd have the American Dream. But college got more and more expensive and then we ended up owing more money then  we could ever earn while their generation got rich off us and our trust. Student loan interest rates should be capped, it is usury which is a crime in the Bible this crew is so happy to quote.

What do you mean they got rich off yous.....first off they worked for what they got in life. Second most parents from the 50 and 60 sacrificed themselves so their kids could go to school and have the education. Most wanted their kids to out do them have more than what they did. Or things they never did.

Also they paid for the kids to go to school and or took on their kids debt. Then it changed. Then it was about grants from the Fed, grants from the state. Loans. But just who was it that wanted parents to entrust their kids with Credit cards. To handle those little things that a kid would need on a college Campus. Even had commercials selling the idea of giving kids credit. When they should have been taught not to borrow. Not to pay later with interest. Given in to instant gratification.

Then in the late 70's 2 yrs schools for the state started poping up and all jumped on that bandwagon. Buisness Management etc etc. But go look at the books from the 50's and 60's. They didnt teach much back then either about running a buisness. Then it was law Schools. Art Schools. Degrees in Sociology and Psycology. All from the Liberal Arts of Curriculum. College Universities being taken over by liberal professors. Moving most away from the hard sciences. Engineering, Architectual and geological and technical.

Kids making the choices and not listening. Refusing to look at other options. Just like todays generation. The difference back then from now.....us kids growing up then knew one thing. We didnt step out into the world thinking we deserved anything. We know it had to be earned or worked for. Even if one was looking to take the easy way out he would still have to work for it.
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 05:20:34 PM »
I don't mean my parents specifically got rich off me, i mean that generation the bankers and the people who profit from those loans with the 30% interest. if you think about it though that whole generation made money off us because they had stock investments like iras and such in those banks and the profits were money that came from our pockets. its only the rich who got richer i don't mean normal moms and pops sorry
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 05:44:20 PM »
Who said one would be guaranteed a good paying job with a college degree?

This is the liberal mindset at it's best, expect to have everything handed to you.  Like grumpy suggested, getting a schlocky degree will land you a schlocky job.  You have to earn that job after you have earned a degree - that's the obvious answer that is clear to everyone except liberals.

And this is the irony with the jobless OWS dirtbags.  They're out there lawlessly disrupting commerce because the protest seems like a cool thing to do but at the end of the day, if they focused their energy to getting a quality education coupled with working hard, they could be earning those huge bonuses that WS execs are being paid.

Nothing is stopping them other than their complacency.
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Re: Educational scam
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 05:48:09 PM »
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 10, 2011, 05:44:20 PM
Who said one would be guaranteed a good paying job with a college degree?

This is the liberal mindset at it's best, expect to have everything handed to you.  Like grumpy suggested, getting a schlocky degree will land you a schlocky job.  You have to earn that job after you have earned a degree - that's the obvious answer that is clear to everyone except liberals.

And this is the irony with the jobless OWS dirtbags.  They're out there lawlessly disrupting commerce because the protest seems like a cool thing to do but at the end of the day, if they focused their energy to getting a quality education coupled with working hard, they could be earning those huge bonuses that WS execs are being paid.

Nothing is stopping them other than their complacency.

Right. No one said that.
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