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Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« on: November 06, 2011, 01:29:47 PM »
WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul says "offering friendship" to Iran, not sanctions, would be a more fruitful to achieving peace with Tehran.

The Texas congressman says fears about Iran's nuclear program have been "blown out of proportion." He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.

When asked on "Fox News Sunday" what he would do to deter Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said "maybe offering friendship to them."

Paul's remarks put him at odds with both the Bush and Obama administrations; U.S. policy has relied heavily on sanctions and diplomacy to try to convince Tehran to abandon its atomic program. Iran says its nuclear program is peaceful.
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-says-friendship-best-way-deal-iran-165913503.html


again as usual Ron Paul is correct.. but we need to expand this sentiment to all nations of the world and remove all abases and military from every country in the world.. We have proven that peace through the barrell of  a gun doesn't really work so instead of spending a half a trillion a year policing the world, lets try using that money to rebuild a crmbling America.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2011, 01:48:07 PM »
I don't think Friendship will help.....I believe it to late for such. Besides it's not the Real Persians who are in Control of Iran.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2011, 01:50:28 PM »
Quote from: Midwest Media Critic on November 06, 2011, 01:48:07 PM
I don't think Friendship will help.....I believe it to late for such. Besides it's not the Real Persians who are in Control of Iran.

The real Persians?
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 01:53:47 PM »
Quote from: LoVE on November 06, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul says "offering friendship" to Iran, not sanctions, would be a more fruitful to achieving peace with Tehran.

The Texas congressman says fears about Iran's nuclear program have been "blown out of proportion." He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.

When asked on "Fox News Sunday" what he would do to deter Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said "maybe offering friendship to them."

Paul's remarks put him at odds with both the Bush and Obama administrations; U.S. policy has relied heavily on sanctions and diplomacy to try to convince Tehran to abandon its atomic program. Iran says its nuclear program is peaceful.
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-says-friendship-best-way-deal-iran-165913503.html


again as usual Ron Paul is correct.. but we need to expand this sentiment to all nations of the world and remove all abases and military from every country in the world.. We have proven that peace through the barrell of  a gun doesn't really work so instead of spending a half a trillion a year policing the world, lets try using that money to rebuild a crmbling America.


Generally I agree with Ron Paul's ideas about foreign policy.

Iran is a unique situation in that we have been escalating with them for years now and they are very close to some kind of nuclear capability. We aren't starting from a zero point with them. Trying to change our policy towards them now would be like running up to someone, punching them in the face and then asking if we can let bygones be bygones.

I definitely agree with Paul about not needing to police the world and have so many overseas bases especially now that our emphasis is on a rapid response military. It should not be necessary to occupy giant countries like Iraq in the future just as it was not necessary over the past forty years.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 02:21:19 PM »
Quote from: Mister D on November 06, 2011, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: Midwest Media Critic on November 06, 2011, 01:48:07 PM
I don't think Friendship will help.....I believe it to late for such. Besides it's not the Real Persians who are in Control of Iran.


The real Persians?


Iran is home to one of the world's oldest civilizations.[17] The first dynasty in Iran formed during the Elamite kingdom in 2800 BC. The Iranian Medes unified Iran into an empire in 625 BC.[1] They were succeeded by the Iranian Achaemenid Empire, the Hellenic Seleucid Empire and two subsequent Iranian empires, the Parthians and the Sassanids, before the Muslim conquest in 651 AD. Iranian post-Islamic dynasties and empires expanded the Persian language and culture throughout the Iranian plateau. Early Iranian dynasties which re-asserted Iranian independence included the Tahirids, Saffarids, Samanids and Buyids.

Early history (3200 BC – 625 BC)Main articles: Tepe Sialk, Jiroft culture, Elam, and Mannaeans
Elam was part of the early urbanization during the Chalcolithic. The emergence of written records from around 3000 BC also parallels Mesopotamian history. In the Old Elamite period (Middle Bronze Age), from around 2800 BC, Elam consisted of kingdoms on the Iranian plateau, centered in Anshan, and from the mid-2nd millennium BC, it was centered in Susa in the Khuzestan lowlands. Elamite kingdom continued its existence until the emergence of Median and Achaemenid Empires.

Proto-Iranians first emerged following the separation of Indo-Iranians, and are traced to the Andronovo culture.[63] Proto-Iranian tribes arrived in the Iranian plateau in the third and second millennium BC, probably in more than one wave of emigration, and settled as nomads.

Further separation of Proto-Iranians into "Eastern" and "Western" groups occurred due to migration. By the first millennium BC, Medes, Persians, Bactrians and Parthians populated the western part, while Cimmerians, Sarmatians and Alans populated the steppes north of the Black Sea.

Other tribes began to settle on the eastern edge, as far as on the mountainous frontier of the north-western Indian subcontinent and into the area which is now Balochistan. Others, such as the Scythian tribes, spread as far west as the Balkans and as far east as Xinjiang. Avestan is an eastern Old Iranian language that was used to compose the sacred hymns and canon of the Zoroastrian Gathas in c. 1000 BC.

In 632 raiders from the Arab peninsula began attacking the Sassanid Empire. Iran was defeated in the Battle of al-Qādisiyyah, paving way for the Muslim conquest of Persia.

It was this Persian Islam and Sufism which was brought to new areas and new peoples such as the Turks of Central Asia, the Ottoman Empire, and the Indian subcontinent.[93] Among the major Iranian Muslims who cultivated Sufism and helped the spread of Islam through Sufism, one can mention Habib Ajami, Hallaj, Hasan Basri, Junayd Baghdadi, Bayazid Bastami, Maruf Karkhi, Abdul-Qadir Gilani, Moinuddin Chishti, Jalaluddin Rumi, Najmuddin Kubra, and Baha-ud-Din Naqshband Bukhari. Note should also be made of Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi school of thought which is followed by most Muslims today.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran


The Shia-Arabs Control Iran..... :)
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 05:32:38 PM »
Arabs are 2% of the population.  :)
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 05:42:18 PM »
Quote from: Mister D on November 06, 2011, 05:32:38 PM
Arabs are 2% of the population.  :)

I meant their Clerics..... ;)
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 05:55:20 PM »
Quote from: Midwest Media Critic on November 06, 2011, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: Mister D on November 06, 2011, 05:32:38 PM
Arabs are 2% of the population.  :)

I meant their Clerics..... ;)

But their clerics aren't Arabs. If the population is 65% Persian and only 2% Arab (the rest being Turkic) I'd imagine that most of the clerics are ethnic Persians.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2011, 05:58:39 PM »
90-95% of the population of Iran is Shia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam#Demographics
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 06:24:34 PM »
Yes but technically Shia are not the real Persians. As the History shows. The Real Persians start with the Medes.

Early history (3200 BC – 625 BC)Main articles: Tepe Sialk, Jiroft culture, Elam, and Mannaeans
Elam was part of the early urbanization during the Chalcolithic. The emergence of written records from around 3000 BC also parallels Mesopotamian history. In the Old Elamite period (Middle Bronze Age), from around 2800 BC, Elam consisted of kingdoms on the Iranian plateau, centered in Anshan, and from the mid-2nd millennium BC, it was centered in Susa in the Khuzestan lowlands. Elamite kingdom continued its existence until the emergence of Median and Achaemenid Empires.

Proto-Iranians first emerged following the separation of Indo-Iranians, and are traced to the Andronovo culture.[63] Proto-Iranian tribes arrived in the Iranian plateau in the third and second millennium BC, probably in more than one wave of emigration, and settled as nomads.

Further separation of Proto-Iranians into "Eastern" and "Western" groups occurred due to migration. By the first millennium BC, Medes, Persians, Bactrians and Parthians populated the western part, while Cimmerians, Sarmatians and Alans populated the steppes north of the Black Sea.

Other tribes began to settle on the eastern edge, as far as on the mountainous frontier of the north-western Indian subcontinent and into the area which is now Balochistan. Others, such as the Scythian tribes, spread as far west as the Balkans and as far east as Xinjiang. Avestan is an eastern Old Iranian language that was used to compose the sacred hymns and canon of the Zoroastrian Gathas in c. 1000 BC.....snip~

Shia are Arabs. The language is Farsi. Not Avestan and what is considered Persian.
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