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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2011, 12:44:20 PM »
Thanks LoVE, I will check out Ezekiel.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2011, 01:23:25 PM »
I keep telling you Ron Paul is a joke. He has less than zero chance to become president. He's like a crazy old uncle at a family reunion. Why are we even talking about him?
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2011, 01:33:00 PM »
I keep telling you Ron Paul is a joke. He has less than zero chance to become president. He's like a crazy old uncle at a family reunion. Why are we even talking about him?

Thats why he won the straw poll in Iowa Saturday. Over Romney and Cain. He is so irrelevant.....eh? Plus he won the California Straw Poll. The good news is.....he stated he will not run as Independant if he does not win the Nomination. He has no money problems and one strength he does have. His messege hasnt Changed. Unike so many of his contemporaries. Plus he will not go against his prinicples of his message.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2011, 01:35:16 PM »
I will bet you anything he does not come close to winning the Republican nomination. He has no chance!!!!!
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2011, 01:36:56 PM »
The Persians and Medes were distinct peoples as you article says. Anyway, I don't understand what you mean by "real Persians". Iran is predominantly Persian. It always has been for the last 2000 years.

Shia are Muslims. It's not a race or even an ethnicity. That's like saying Italy is populated by Catholics and Italians.

Well technically you are correct. But the Shia are related to the Ummayyads and Abbasids. The Medes and Persians being over ran in population and thru waves of immigration. Until they were no longer a dominate population. Nor ruling population.

Since 661 AD the Sunni have been committing Genocide on the Shia their own related tribe. Both Arab tribes in going to war in their beginning did not seek Conversion of those they Conquered except with Women. IMO the Shia Arabs assimilated the Medes and the Persians.

Shia and Sunni are religious sects though. Many different kinds of peole belong to both. Moreover, most Persians are Shia Muslims.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2011, 02:11:12 PM »
I will bet you anything he does not come close to winning the Republican nomination. He has no chance!!!!!


That jus means more murderous drone strikes under Obama
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2011, 02:47:39 PM »
WASHINGTON (AP) GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul says "offering friendship" to Iran, not sanctions, would be a more fruitful to achieving peace with Tehran.

The Texas congressman says fears about Iran's nuclear program have been "blown out of proportion." He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.

When asked on "Fox News Sunday" what he would do to deter Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said "maybe offering friendship to them."

Paul's remarks put him at odds with both the Bush and Obama administrations; U.S. policy has relied heavily on sanctions and diplomacy to try to convince Tehran to abandon its atomic program. Iran says its nuclear program is peaceful.
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again as usual Ron Paul is correct.. but we need to expand this sentiment to all nations of the world and remove all abases and military from every country in the world.. We have proven that peace through the barrell of  a gun doesn't really work so instead of spending a half a trillion a year policing the world, lets try using that money to rebuild a crmbling America.


Generally I agree with Ron Paul's ideas about foreign policy.

Iran is a unique situation in that we have been escalating with them for years now and they are very close to some kind of nuclear capability. We aren't starting from a zero point with them. Trying to change our policy towards them now would be like running up to someone, punching them in the face and then asking if we can let bygones be bygones.

I definitely agree with Paul about not needing to police the world and have so many overseas bases especially now that our emphasis is on a rapid response military. It should not be necessary to occupy giant countries like Iraq in the future just as it was not necessary over the past forty years.

conley i picked here to jump in but could have a couple earlier, ron paul while pretty spot on with regard to fiscal policy is a foreign policy nightmare, delusional and factually misleading.....other than the israelis it is a region of nuts and quite frankly given israelis willingness to appease one might question their connection to reality as well.....these clowns, iran, iraq, saudi arabia whoever, they are not our friends, period end of story.....here is a plan produce our own energy making us independent of this region, support the israelis and by this i mean tell do what you want/need to do, secure our borders and let that mad house that we generally call the middle east go to hell.....care not about being liked focus on being feared.....for a second bush was as evidenced by the about face of libya, but then his small imprint strategy was seen for what it was....soft.....as for iran military action is what is required and it must be complete......


Grumpy, here is what I have stated in this thread

http://politirant.com/the-latest-happenings/israel-test-fires-missile-that-could-hit-iran/msg20955/#msg20955

Iran is a problem that will not go away on its own. There is no way that we can use friendship to deter what will happen. Our choices are either deal with the problem now, before Iran has nuclear capabilities, or wait until they do. I prefer the former for obvious reasons. I believe we should give the Israelis the green light to go ahead with their bombing runs.

Now, the rest of your post is very similar to what Ron Paul is saying. Leave the Middle East to its own end and secure our own borders. RP agrees that it is the responsibility of the federal government to secure our borders and that should be step one in homeland security, not the sieve it is now.

We should invest heavily in alternative energy research along with private industry and during the transition period rely on oil from U.S., Canada and other allies. No more giving money to shady governments for their oil, which then gets passed on to terrorists.

working backwards i would note that paul has wandered from being the staunch advocate of border security depicted on his web site to now floating the idea of greencards for illegals, rewarding illegal behavior incentivizes illegal behavior and does not enhance our national security.....further his bs about opposing a fence because fences can be used to keep people in is just sophistry masking an unwillingness to actually secure our borders....when paul rants re having a military presence within 135 countries that is only correct if one counts embassy marine guard, deceptive and misleading on the part of paul.....when paul states that this nation is to blame for 9-11 that is not only asinine but self destructive....with regard to foreign aid abandoning israel, an ally since it's inception to the tender mercies of their arab neighbors is morally abhorrent....and of course the idea of cozying up to iran is ridiculous, in fact i would assert that this nation not trade with any nation where the govt is not the result of free, open and regularly held elections....

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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 03:50:59 PM »
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further his bs about opposing a fence because fences can be used to keep people in is just sophistry masking an unwillingness to actually secure our borders....

Bingo.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2011, 04:00:18 PM »
And yet he voted for the fence. It's strange because normally I applaud him for his consistency but on immigration he has not only given less than clear answers much of the time but also maybe even backtracked or changed his position.

Still, I maintain that while he has many problems which we can hammer at, at the end of the day he would be better than Cain, Romney, or dare I say it, another 4 years of Obama.
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Re: Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2011, 04:02:21 PM »
And yet he voted for the fence. It's strange because normally I applaud him for his consistency but on immigration he has not only given less than clear answers much of the time but also maybe even backtracked or changed his position.

Still, I maintain that while he has many problems which we can hammer at, at the end of the day he would be better than Cain, Romney, or dare I say it, another 4 years of Obama.

The current cast of clown does put us in a bind.
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