Support Politirant Through Amazon
Visit our sister site at the Political Forums

Author Topic: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing  (Read 8595 times)

Offline Conley

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 288
  • -Received: 190
  • Posts: 7726
  • Karma: 398
  • Are You Not Entertained?!?
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 11:24:59 AM »
I feel like those lessons are already present in society and some chose to ignore them. There will always be deviants who murder unfortunately.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Eisenhower

Offline Mister D

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 109
  • -Received: 164
  • Posts: 6114
  • Karma: 359
  • Egalitarianism is simply absurd
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011, 11:28:11 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

Regardless of motive it's a horrible thing. Would Ellen Degenerate memtion it on her show if it was some gang slaying?

No but maybe somebody else who is more sympathetic to gang violence would mention it.

Everybody flaunts their purposes in life.  Good for Ellen.



However gang violence at least has a purpose to it: people defending their turfs, and their business.  Doesn't make it right, but it has purpose.  This story depicts the senseless murder of somebody because of their sexual orientation.  The hate that the perpetrator brought forth was completely senseless, it had no purpose, it could have been prevented simply by society being more accepting, by society not teaching a young person to hate.  And furthermore, it could have been prevented by society teaching another person that unwanted sexual advances are inappropriate and should immediately cease.

Gang slayings are utterly senseless to the rest of society but make sense to the murderers themselves. This murder was no different. Really, I do find it somewhat opportunistic, ghoulish, and ridiculous that "gay rights" activists never waste a tragedy.
"Pushing people forward simply because of their colour, irrespective of merit, would be most unfortunate and would of course lead to disaster. It would mean that Rhodesia would then develop into a kind of banana republic where the country would in no time be bankrupt."


~Ian Smith

Offline Mister D

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 109
  • -Received: 164
  • Posts: 6114
  • Karma: 359
  • Egalitarianism is simply absurd
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 11:29:15 AM »
I feel like those lessons are already present in society and some chose to ignore them. There will always be deviants who murder unfortunately.

Right. The nation is not in need of soul searching.
"Pushing people forward simply because of their colour, irrespective of merit, would be most unfortunate and would of course lead to disaster. It would mean that Rhodesia would then develop into a kind of banana republic where the country would in no time be bankrupt."


~Ian Smith

Offline spunkloaf

  • V.I.P.
  • Senior Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 31
  • -Received: 32
  • Posts: 601
  • Karma: 92
  • A-Wop-bop-a-loo-lop
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 11:33:28 AM »
I could be wrong but when I read stuff like this I don't think it's a case of anti-gay behavior so much as a mentally ill murderer. As in I think this guy was just a psycho and was looking for a reason to justify his killing, not the other way around. I'm not explaining it well but maybe someone understands what I'm saying. Kind of like the whole issue around hate crimes.

I hear you. Some wacko committed a horrible crime. It's not like there is a wave of anti-gay shootings at American schools.

If he was mentally ill, he should have presented that as his defense.

The only mental illness this kid has is hatred.  Senseless, prejudiced, indoctrinated hatred.  Who is to blame for teaching him that kind of hatred?  Maybe he heard a joke somewhere about faggots, and it started his wheels turning.  Maybe he has a bit of homosexuality himself which is repressed.  Maybe his biggest fear is other people finding this out.

He made the point himself that he shot the other kid because he didn't like the dress he wore or the way he talked, and because the gay kid made sexual advanced towards him.  You can't ignore that this was a senseless killing driven purely by hate, stereotypes, prejudice and societal pressure.  With all these bullshit expectations and pressures from society, somebody is bound to off another here and there.

Offline spunkloaf

  • V.I.P.
  • Senior Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 31
  • -Received: 32
  • Posts: 601
  • Karma: 92
  • A-Wop-bop-a-loo-lop
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 11:42:38 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

Regardless of motive it's a horrible thing. Would Ellen Degenerate memtion it on her show if it was some gang slaying?

No but maybe somebody else who is more sympathetic to gang violence would mention it.

Everybody flaunts their purposes in life.  Good for Ellen.



However gang violence at least has a purpose to it: people defending their turfs, and their business.  Doesn't make it right, but it has purpose.  This story depicts the senseless murder of somebody because of their sexual orientation.  The hate that the perpetrator brought forth was completely senseless, it had no purpose, it could have been prevented simply by society being more accepting, by society not teaching a young person to hate.  And furthermore, it could have been prevented by society teaching another person that unwanted sexual advances are inappropriate and should immediately cease.

Gang slayings are utterly senseless to the rest of society but make sense to the murderers themselves. This murder was no different. Really, I do find it somewhat opportunistic, ghoulish, and ridiculous that "gay rights" activists never waste a tragedy.

Oh that was so cool, D-wang.  I wish everybody could be as cool as you are.  Really, that was just so fucking cool what you said right there.  Bravo.  Bravo.



Because everybody else in the world (except you) is just looking for reasons to justify their purposes.  Right?  After all, nobody is REALLY homosexual.  they are just looking for attention.  They don't REALLY have to face any kind of oppression, and they are just a bunch of whiners.  They just want "special rights."


Let me put this into perspective.  I've never heard of somebody murdering another person because they were straight.  See how this kind of hatred is a one-way street?  Yet you seem to ignore the fact that there is any street there at all.  You don't want to acknowledge the hatred and intolerance which drives this kind of bullshit.

Offline Conley

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 288
  • -Received: 190
  • Posts: 7726
  • Karma: 398
  • Are You Not Entertained?!?
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2011, 11:57:22 AM »
I don't deny that discrimination against gays exists. I'm 100% against that.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you have someone who is disturbed enough to kill another person over their clothing or something similarly stupid, no amount of education or tolerance is going to prevent that. How could this have been prevented? Who do you think is endorsing this kind of violent action?

The murderer is clearly disturbed and yes, mentally ill. I'm not saying he should use that as his criminal defense. I am sure he knew what he was doing was wrong, but he didn't care. People get killed for all kinds of horrible, stupid reasons and this is just another in a long list. It sucks.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Eisenhower

Offline Mister D

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 109
  • -Received: 164
  • Posts: 6114
  • Karma: 359
  • Egalitarianism is simply absurd
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2011, 12:42:56 PM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

Regardless of motive it's a horrible thing. Would Ellen Degenerate memtion it on her show if it was some gang slaying?

No but maybe somebody else who is more sympathetic to gang violence would mention it.

Everybody flaunts their purposes in life.  Good for Ellen.



However gang violence at least has a purpose to it: people defending their turfs, and their business.  Doesn't make it right, but it has purpose.  This story depicts the senseless murder of somebody because of their sexual orientation.  The hate that the perpetrator brought forth was completely senseless, it had no purpose, it could have been prevented simply by society being more accepting, by society not teaching a young person to hate.  And furthermore, it could have been prevented by society teaching another person that unwanted sexual advances are inappropriate and should immediately cease.

Gang slayings are utterly senseless to the rest of society but make sense to the murderers themselves. This murder was no different. Really, I do find it somewhat opportunistic, ghoulish, and ridiculous that "gay rights" activists never waste a tragedy.

Oh that was so cool, D-wang.  I wish everybody could be as cool as you are.  Really, that was just so fucking cool what you said right there.  Bravo.  Bravo.



Because everybody else in the world (except you) is just looking for reasons to justify their purposes.  Right?  After all, nobody is REALLY homosexual.  they are just looking for attention.  They don't REALLY have to face any kind of oppression, and they are just a bunch of whiners.  They just want "special rights."


Let me put this into perspective.  I've never heard of somebody murdering another person because they were straight.  See how this kind of hatred is a one-way street?  Yet you seem to ignore the fact that there is any street there at all.  You don't want to acknowledge the hatred and intolerance which drives this kind of bullshit.

Thank you.  8) But lets be serious. No one can be as cool as the D-Wang. No one.

I have no idea what your second paragraph is supposed to mean. While cool, the D-Wang is not a mind reader. I've never been for gay rights because I don't think gays have any rights that are being denied. Moreover, embracing these tragedies and pretending they are indicative of anything more than the crazed act of some loon is offensive to me. It also does more harm than good.

Yet I have heard of being being murdered over all kinds of things. What makes being killed over your sexuality any different than say...being killed for wearing red in a certain neighborhood or being white, black etc? Nothing. Murder is murder. I do not single the murder of gays as being somehow more tragic or more deserving of national attention.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2011, 12:45:54 PM by Mister D »
"Pushing people forward simply because of their colour, irrespective of merit, would be most unfortunate and would of course lead to disaster. It would mean that Rhodesia would then develop into a kind of banana republic where the country would in no time be bankrupt."


~Ian Smith

Offline Peter1469

  • V.I.P.
  • Full Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 5
  • -Received: 22
  • Posts: 183
  • Karma: 30
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 12:57:35 PM »
Sort of like the Mathew Shepard case- activists claimed that he was killed for being gay.  It turned out to be drug related.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1


Offline MMC

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 277
  • -Received: 211
  • Posts: 6181
  • Karma: 423
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 02:06:51 PM »
The Warriors- Come Out and Play


"To destroy this invisible government, To dissolve this UNHOLY ALLIANCE between Corrupt Buisness and Corrupt Politics is the First task of the Statesmanship of the DAY" ~Theodore Roosevelt~ Steward of The People!

Offline Mister D

  • V.I.P.
  • Imperial Grand Poobah Ranter
  • *
  • Thank Yous
  • -Given: 109
  • -Received: 164
  • Posts: 6114
  • Karma: 359
  • Egalitarianism is simply absurd
Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 02:17:42 PM »
Sort of like the Mathew Shepard case- activists claimed that he was killed for being gay.  It turned out to be drug related.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1


Never heard this. Thanks. I remember the case well. MTV even made a propaganda film about it.
"Pushing people forward simply because of their colour, irrespective of merit, would be most unfortunate and would of course lead to disaster. It would mean that Rhodesia would then develop into a kind of banana republic where the country would in no time be bankrupt."


~Ian Smith

 


Support Politirant Through Amazon