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Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:09:29 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/plea-deal-california-gay-classmate-killing-231308006.html


This is just sad all around.  For the kid who was taught to hate, for his family, for the victim and his family, and for an entire nation which still cannot seem to fully put this kind of nonsensical judgment and hatred behind itself.

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 10:03:03 AM »
That is a senseless tragedy. Very sad indeed. :(
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 11:04:48 AM »
A horrible case.  Some people don't belong in civil society. 

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 11:06:17 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 11:08:27 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

What- I condemned the murderer.

What more is required?

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 11:09:54 AM »
Oh I wasn't referring to you peter1469.   :D

Kinda looks like I am.  It's just a general question.

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 11:10:32 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

Regardless of motive it's a horrible thing. Would Ellen Degenerate memtion it on her show if it was some gang slaying?
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »
I could be wrong but when I read stuff like this I don't think it's a case of anti-gay behavior so much as a mentally ill murderer. As in I think this guy was just a psycho and was looking for a reason to justify his killing, not the other way around. I'm not explaining it well but maybe someone understands what I'm saying. Kind of like the whole issue around hate crimes.
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 11:19:01 AM »
I could be wrong but when I read stuff like this I don't think it's a case of anti-gay behavior so much as a mentally ill murderer. As in I think this guy was just a psycho and was looking for a reason to justify his killing, not the other way around. I'm not explaining it well but maybe someone understands what I'm saying. Kind of like the whole issue around hate crimes.

I hear you. Some wacko committed a horrible crime. It's not like there is a wave of anti-gay shootings at American schools.
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM »
Kids killing other kids for being gay.   More specifically, for making unwanted sexual advances towards them.

Dude.


It must be so....."normal" being straight.  Sexual advances towards and from the opposite sex is expected, whether it is wanted or not.  Gay people are not allowed that kind of comfort and liberty.

How many times have you straight men made "advances" towards women and been rejected?

Regardless of motive it's a horrible thing. Would Ellen Degenerate memtion it on her show if it was some gang slaying?

No but maybe somebody else who is more sympathetic to gang violence would mention it.

Everybody flaunts their purposes in life.  Good for Ellen.



However gang violence at least has a purpose to it: people defending their turfs, and their business.  Doesn't make it right, but it has purpose.  This story depicts the senseless murder of somebody because of their sexual orientation.  The hate that the perpetrator brought forth was completely senseless, it had no purpose, it could have been prevented simply by society being more accepting, by society not teaching a young person to hate.  And furthermore, it could have been prevented by society teaching another person that unwanted sexual advances are inappropriate and should immediately cease.

 


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