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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2011, 01:53:57 PM »
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.

Makes sense. Erich Marie Remarque did exactly that with All Quiet on the Western Front.

Oh! I need to add that to my list.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2011, 02:11:02 PM »
Interesting. I read it is based on Stone's own experiences in Vietnam and he no doubt played with the details. If he was unhappy over there then he probably projected his feelings on to his fellow soldiers both in real life and even more in the movie he made.

Makes sense. Erich Marie Remarque did exactly that with All Quiet on the Western Front.

Oh! I need to add that to my list.

That's a novel and a film from the 1930s though. They did a color remake in the late 70s I think but I'm not sure if you wuld look it. Can't hurt I guess. Anyway, the main character of the novel/film was a volunteer in 1914 (the first year of the war). Remarque was a conscript in 1917. He projects his own view of the war onto millions of men who did not share it. It's considered a classic but when kids read it they will get the impression that Remarque's is the only legitimate perrception of the conflict. The sane is true with movies like Platoon. Oh, Vietnam was awful...everyne knows that. Didn't you see Platoon?
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2011, 02:17:03 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2011, 02:27:14 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Combat is awful to most people I'd imagine but that doesn't necessarily mean that war is without purpose, value, or a positive meaning in people's lives. Both Stone and Remarque depict war as a menaingless waste of human life. That's arguable but the important thing is that that's not the way millions of men actually felt about their experiences.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 02:30:03 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Hated the bugs and snakes>:(
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »
For example, I'm sure MMC is proud of what he did.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2011, 02:34:58 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Hated the bugs and snakes>:(

I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2011, 02:35:46 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Combat is awful to most people I'd imagine but that doesn't necessarily mean that war is without purpose, value, or a positive meaning in people's lives. Both Stone and Remarque depict war as a menaingless waste of human life. That's arguable but the important thing is that that's not the way millions of men actually felt about their experiences.

I can see how such a perspective would be offensive to many.
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2011, 02:38:04 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.

Hated the bugs and snakes>:(

I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.

I think I'd take the heat over the cold.  :-\
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Re: Happy 236th Birthday to the United States Marine Corps
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2011, 02:42:52 PM »
Well, don't most realistic war movies make war seem awful?

The Vietnam War in particular does look really crappy in a lot of movies. Even besides the brutal combat, the conditions seemed terrible, all that rain and marching in the jungle, the heat and humidity. It just all seemed terrible.


Hated the bugs and snakes>:(


I bet. It looks awful. I would rather be in a war in Iraq than Vietnam. Afghanistan too. Not talking about the combatants, just the elements.


I think I'd take the heat over the cold:-\


Paint it Black - Vietnam War (The video's owner prevents external embedding)

Amen to that brutha..... At least you can Move.  ;)

Here is a little bit of Nam with some Music.....or I should say it like Spunks says. Here is some enrichment for ya's.  ;D
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