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Israel vs Iran.....
« on: November 08, 2011, 02:11:04 AM »
Like the title says. I know I put up Irans Military and Defense in another thread. But I will get it pasted up here to. I have been trying to find comparisons to put up. but none may be available.

Looks like 2012 is going to be a year full of Chaos. I do not see the Brews moving out before this year's End. Specially not around the Holidays. What I do know is we have 120 troops that do man a Missile Defense system somewhere in Israel. Thats not Counting the Usual Compliment of Marines at the US Embassy.

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Active personnel 187,000[1] (ranked 34th)
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Budget $16 billion (Israeli defence budget 2011)[2]
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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 07:29:30 AM »


This is just One Mobile Missile launcher we know they have. Given to the Iranians by the Russians. Also I believe the Iranians not only have the 3 Kilo Subs. But they also have their own as well as their Riverboat like Navy.

Defense industry
Main articles: Defense industry of Iran and List of military equipment manufactured in Iran.

Under the last Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Iran's military industry was limited to assembly of foreign weapons. In the assembly lines that were put up by American firms, such as Bell, Litton and Northrop, Iranian workers put together a variety of helicopters, aircraft, guided missiles, electronic components and tanks.[21] In 1973 the Iran Electronics Industries (IEI) was established.[22] The company was set up in a first attempt to organize the assembly and repair of foreign-delivered weapons.[23] The Iranian Defense Industries Organization was the first to succeed in taking a step into what could be called a military industry by reverse engineering Soviet RPG-7, BM-21, and SAM-7 missiles in 1979.[23]

Nevertheless, most of Iran's weapons before the Islamic revolution were imported from the United States and Europe. Between 1971 and 1975, the Shah went on a buying spree, ordering $8 billion in weapons from the United States alone. This alarmed the United States Congress, which strengthened a 1968 law on arms exports in 1976 and renamed it the Arms Export Control Act. Still, the United States continued to sell large amounts of weapons to Iran until the 1979 Islamic Revolution.[24]

After the Islamic revolution, Iran found itself severely isolated and lacking technological expertise. Because of economic sanctions and a weapons embargo put on Iran by the United States, Iran was forced to rely on its domestic arms industry for weapons and spare parts since there were very few countries willing to do business with Iran.[25]

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards were put in charge of creating what is today known as the Iranian military industry. Under their command Iran's military industry was enormously expanded, and with the Ministry of Defense pouring investment into the missile industry, Iran soon accumulated a vast arsenal of missiles.[21] Since 1992, it also has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, radar systems, guided missiles, submarines, military vessels and fighter planes.[26][27]

In recent years, official announcements have highlighted the development of weapons such as the Fajr-3 (MIRV), Hoot, Kowsar, Fateh-110, Shahab-3 missile systems and a variety of unmanned aerial vehicles, at least one of which Israel claims has been used to spy on its territory.[28] In 2006, an Iranian UAV acquired and allegedly tracked the American aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan for 25 minutes without being detected before returning safely to its base.
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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 07:34:36 AM »
The Iranian Military consists of the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, and the Iranian Air Defense Force. The regular armed forces have an estimated 545,000 personnel: the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, 465,000 personnel; the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, 28,000 personnel, and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, 52,000 airmen.[5] Iranian Air Defense Force is a branch split off from the IRIAF.[6]
The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, or Revolutionary Guards, has an estimated 120,000 personnel in five branches: Its own Navy, Air Force, and Ground Forces; and the Quds Force (Special Forces).[5]
The Basij is a paramilitary volunteer force controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards. Its membership is a matter of controversy. Iranian sources claim a membership of 12.6 million, including women, of which perhaps 3 million are combat capable. There are a claimed 2,500 battalions of which some are full-time personnel.[7] Globalsecurity.org quotes a 2005 study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies estimating 90,000 active-duty full-time uniformed members, 300,000 reservists, and a total of 11 million men that can be mobilized if need be.[8]
Iran's military was called the Middle East's most powerful by General John Abizaid chief of United States Central Command (U.S. forces' commander in the region). However General Abizaid said he did not include the Israel Defense Forces as they did not fall into his area of operations.....snip~

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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 07:50:50 AM »
Lets get some visual perspectives with this.....



The Israelis would have to get permission from the Other Countries surrounding them to enter their Air Space. Syria we know that isn't going to happen. The Sunni will bow out due to their Crisis with the Shia. Then that Sharia law about Arab brothers comes into play. Which leaves Iraq and Turkey as access points. The Israelis will not be able to send a fleet to the Persian Gulf.

The Iranians would have the same set of complications other than they Could be given permission from Syria and Iraq. Much easier for them than it is for Israel.
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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 09:20:31 AM »
RUMIT (rumor intel) has it that Saudi Arabia has already granted Israel overflight rights. 

RUMIT also has it that Israel has given up on the US under Obama and is seeking allies elsewhere- such as Saudi Arabia. 


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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 09:21:28 AM »
As I understand it the Israelis are going to have a hard time refueling. They have a long way to fly and with heavy armament they won't be able to get as far.

They claim to have 8 of the 707s but that number is debated.

With the threat of a conflict with Iran looming, the Israeli air force has augmented its fleet of KC-707 (“Re’em”) aerial refueling aircraft with an eighth tanker, bolstering the strike capacity the country would have if it tries to undertake a raid on Teheran’s nuclear facilities.

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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 09:22:41 AM »
RUMIT (rumor intel) has it that Saudi Arabia has already granted Israel overflight rights. 

RUMIT also has it that Israel has given up on the US under Obama and is seeking allies elsewhere- such as Saudi Arabia.

Yes, I was reading Saudi Arabia likely would grant airspace. They have also been pushing for the U.S. to take out the Iranian sites per some of the classified docs that were released via Wikileaks. They don't want a nuclear arms race in the ME..
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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 09:23:37 AM »
What if Saudi Arabia allowed Israeli war planes to land and refuel?

I agree their in-flight refueling capacity is most likely inadequate. 

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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 09:31:04 AM »
What if Saudi Arabia allowed Israeli war planes to land and refuel?

I agree their in-flight refueling capacity is most likely inadequate.

I think if the Saudis go that far then they will risk being targeted themselves by the Iran response. Truthfully though Iran may target them anyway.

For example the blog I was just reading points out Iran should "attack the Saudi oil installation at Ras Tanura, 100 miles across the Persian Gulf from Bushehr. Forty percent of the world's oil passes through this port daily".

I don't know that it could be protected adequately; it seems there would be many ways to set it off.
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Re: Israel vs Iran.....
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 10:04:27 AM »
Yeah the Saud will assit but their big bitch is Iran having the Nuke. They will be the one to seek a nuke in return and without hesitation.



Israelis F-15s would need to refuel even more than those bombers.

If the Saudis grant them access then You know the Syrians will grant Iran's......



F-14's and F-4's.....not Counting any Russian Migs or their own planes.
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