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Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« on: November 17, 2011, 08:58:27 AM »
Russia's foreign minister has said the situation in Syria is beginning to resemble civil war, after renegade soldiers attacked a key army base.

Sergei Lavrov said all countries hoping for a peaceful solution in Syria must call on all parties to end the violence

Turkey has criticised the global response to Syria, saying it is being overlooked because it is not wealthy.

Earlier, the Arab League - which has suspended Syria - gave its government three days to end "bloody repression".

At a meeting in the Moroccan capital, Rabat, on Wednesday, the League's 22 members said Syria must allow in a team of international monitors or face sanctions.

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Mr Lavrov was speaking a day after a group of renegade soldiers known as the Free Syrian Army (FSA) was reported to have launched an attack on a key government army base outside Damascus.

Unconfirmed reports said six government soldiers were killed in the assault on the Air Force Intelligence building in Harasta.

Mr Lavrov said such attacks were "completely similar to real civil war".

He said weapons were being smuggled in to Syria to be used by the opposition, and that it was "necessary to stop violence no matter where it comes from" - adding that opposition forces should also be held accountable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15769804

China is also growing very concerned. The situation is deterioration. I wonder if the UN will continue to try to stick its nose in or if they'll back off. China and Russia have been opposed to action but the unrest is unsettling, even to them.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 10:07:20 AM »
The Russians know all to well that the Sunni are shipping in arms with the Muslim Brotherhood. I will bet the Chinese do too. They ain't going to budge on Syria.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 10:12:26 AM »
Their concern is with regard to keeping a diplomatic presence in the region.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 02:43:11 PM »
There is no oil in Syria so I don't expect that there will be much pressure on the US and NATO to act. 

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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »
China and Russia have been vetoing UN condemnations but I guess that's just because they always want to be disagreeable.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 02:55:32 PM »
China and Russia have been vetoing UN condemnations but I guess that's just because they always want to be disagreeable.

Well I did mention the Russian Subbase inside Syrian Waters.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 03:14:15 PM »
China and Russia have been vetoing UN condemnations but I guess that's just because they always want to be disagreeable.

Well I did mention the Russian Subbase inside Syrian Waters.

Are you talking about Tartus?
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 03:16:43 PM »
Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance base, under a 1971 agreement with Syria, which is still staffed by Russian naval personnel. The base was established during the Cold War to support the Soviet Navy's fleet in the Mediterranean Sea.[7] During the 1970s, similar support points were located in Egypt and Latakia, Syria. In 1977, the Egyptian support bases at Alexandria and Mersa Matruh were evacuated and the ships and property were transferred to Tartus, where the naval support base was transformed into the 229th Naval and Estuary Vessel Support Division. Seven years later, the Tartus support point was upgraded to the 720th Logistics Support Point.[8]
In 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed and its Mediterranean fleet, the 5th Mediterranean Squadron which was composed of ships from the Northern Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet, ceased its existence. Since then, there have been occasional expeditions by Russian Navy vessels and submarines to the Mediterranean Sea. The naval logistics support base in Syria is now part of the Black Sea Fleet. It consists of three floating docks of which one is operational, a floating workshop, storage facilities, barracks and other facilities.[8]
Since Russia forgave Syria of three-fourths, or $9.6 billion, of its $13.4 billion Soviet-era debt and became its main arms supplier in 2006, Russia and Syria have conducted talks about allowing Russia to develop and enlarge its naval base, so that Russia can strengthen its naval presence in the Mediterranean.[9] Amid Russia's deteriorating relations with the West, because of the 2008 South Ossetia War‎ and plans to deploy a US missile defense shield in Poland, President Assad agreed to the portís conversion into a permanent Middle East base for Russiaís nuclear-armed warships.[10][11] Since 2009, Russia has been renovating the Tartus naval base and dredging the port to allow access for its larger naval vessels.[12]
On September 8, 2008, ten Russian warships docked in Tartus.[13] According to Lebanese-Syrian commentator Joseph Farah, the flotilla which moved to Tartus consisted of the Moskva cruiser and four nuclear missile submarines.[14] Two weeks later, Russian Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered battlecruiser Peter The Great, accompanied by three other ships, sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk. The ships would cover about 15,000 nautical miles (28,000 km) to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy. Dygalo refused to comment on reports in the daily Izvestia claiming that the ships were to make a stopover in the Syrian port of Tartus on their way to Venezuela. Russian officials said the Soviet-era base there was being renovated to serve as a foothold for a permanent Russian navy presence in the Mediterranean.[15][16]
In 2009, RIA Novosti reported that the base would be made fully operational to support anti-piracy operations.[17] It would also support a Russian naval presence in the Mediterranean as a base for "guided-missile cruisers and even aircraft carriers".[18]

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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 03:23:51 PM »
Russia has desired a real warm water port for centruries. It's been an imperial ambition for a very long time.
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Re: Russia Describes Syrian Conflict as Civil War
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 03:58:08 PM »
Yep.....that be the one. But now it is mostly a sub-base. With a Fleet in Port.

21.09.2010
http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=10315



Mobile coastal missile system (MCMS) Bastion with antiship missiles Yakhont in Syria's inventory will maintain security of Syrian coast and protect Russian naval base in Tartus, reported RIA Novosti citing Igor Korotchenko, director of the World Arms Trade Analytic Center (WATAC).

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=67906

Russian warship visits navy base in Syrian port
English.news.cn 2011-09-26 21:09:45 FeedbackPrintRSS

MOSCOW, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- A Russian anti-submarine ship has visited the Syrian port of Tartus, Russian Northern Fleet said on Monday.

According to the Russian navy, the warship Severomorsk visited Tartus when it was returning to its home base after an anti-pirate mission in the Red Sea.

Chief Commander of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotski, said Russia was going to maintain its naval base in Tartus, the only Russian base outside the former Soviet republics.

Clashes between the Syrian government forces and opposition erupted in Tartus in June. The violence did not affected the Russian base which has been guarded by Syrian and Russian troops.....snip~

http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2611.aspx

In July 2009, RIA announced that a specialist anti-piracy element of the Russian navy would be moved there to support international efforts off Somalia. It was also noted that the current floating pier is too small to accommodate a Kirov class BCGN, Petyr Velikiy had to anchor offshore.....snip~


The Syrians virtually have no Navy and the Russians are keeping it stocked. As well as the Iranians. Who has sold them those small attack boats. Not to mention Iran sent a fleet to Syria as well. Which they could either be there in port or somewhere close by.



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